mass murder with no discernible endgame unless,that is,completion of the project of 1948.So depressing that this is what Starmer is advocating for and so reminiscent of the stunned astonishment we felt when Blair threw us into war with Iraq.
Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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krtek a houby
Anger is Hi-NRG
Now and for the next few generations
Eric Jarvis
Well-Known Member
I will ALWAYS look at Reagan in the light of Gil Scott-Heron's B Movie. Sorry, but that can't be shifted now.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Looked up Andy McDonald and he comes across as a decent hard working MP
He fell foul of Starmer due to this:
en.m.wikipedia.org
This might help explain why he's been targeted.
Starmer is quite vindictive.
He's also got "form" on supporting Palestinian rights. Which makes him a marked man as well.
He fell foul of Starmer due to this:
Andy McDonald (politician) - Wikipedia
This might help explain why he's been targeted.
Starmer is quite vindictive.
He's also got "form" on supporting Palestinian rights. Which makes him a marked man as well.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
Piece on the Ch4 news tonight about Palestinians being forced out of their homes in the west bank. What have Sunak, Cruella, Starmer, Biden, etc got to say about this?
www.channel4.com
UN says as many as 120 Palestinians killed in West Bank since October 7th
While the world's focus has been on Gaza, the UN says as many as 120 Palestinians have been killed in the West Bank since October 7th and the United States has warned Israel to rein in "extremist" settlers, saying violence against innocent residents in the occupied territory was "totally...
www.channel4.com
Matt Frei's interview with a family on eviction watch quite moving i thought.Earlier i had been watching an interview with a Palestinian academic dreaming aloud of a lasting peace and political settlement which would follow upon the return of the Palestinian diaspora to their abandoned villages( in modern day Israel).Seemed a distant prospect i must say.Piece on the Ch4 news tonight about Palestinians being forced out of their homes in the west bank. What have Sunak, Cruella, Starmer, Biden, etc got to say about this?
UN says as many as 120 Palestinians killed in West Bank since October 7th
While the world's focus has been on Gaza, the UN says as many as 120 Palestinians have been killed in the West Bank since October 7th and the United States has warned Israel to rein in "extremist" settlers, saying violence against innocent residents in the occupied territory was "totally...
TopCat
Putin fanboy
There is a lot of shaping of Palestinian solidarity marchers going on. Shaping them up for a good kicking and nicking.
If they are minded to, I speculate that they will send in snatch squads into future crowds to arrest whoever (they said Jihad) knowing this will cause alarm and disarray and pushback and a big row. It’s the same old playbook
If they are minded to, I speculate that they will send in snatch squads into future crowds to arrest whoever (they said Jihad) knowing this will cause alarm and disarray and pushback and a big row. It’s the same old playbook
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
aye that the road i see coming from Braverman and the Tories
amazed after one arrest as of saturday they not started planning
that or cause a situation to unfold to put a stop to it
ska invita
back on the other side
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WhyLikeThis
Something, something, something
This youngster nails Biden’s position. Replace Biden with Starmer.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Piece on the Ch4 news tonight about Palestinians being forced out of their homes in the west bank. What have Sunak, Cruella, Starmer, Biden, etc got to say about this?
UN says as many as 120 Palestinians killed in West Bank since October 7th
While the world's focus has been on Gaza, the UN says as many as 120 Palestinians have been killed in the West Bank since October 7th and the United States has warned Israel to rein in "extremist" settlers, saying violence against innocent residents in the occupied territory was "totally...
Thanks for this. Just watched it.
The on the ground report of Palestinian villagers in fear and leaving due to settler violence was very good. As was the questioning by the reporter on the roof top in Ramallah of two leading Palestinians. Plus the surreal interview with the Israeli Knesset member. Who lived in a parallel universe where everything would be ok on West Bank if it wasn't for Hamas "cells" and that he objected to term extremist settlers.
Ive following Al Jazeera on this until now.
It was when it went back to C4 studio I saw the difference. The head of PSC being repeatedly asked if he supported Israel right to exist. Was chanting to the river to the sea anti semitic.
Head of PSC response, which I thought was a good one, was that Israel did not have right to exist as an Apartheid State. That to be free meant in that context Palestinians no longer having to live under military rule / second class citizens/ or in open prison of Gaza. He still got asked the same question despite giving a cogent answer. Get the feeling that saying State of Israel is an Apartheid state is not supposed to be part of the answer.
The journalist in Ramallah was interviewing two mainstream Palestinians. The journalist said as he went around West Bank he felt that Hamas had a lot of support. They agreed. The disappointment of peace process had led to increase of view amongst ordinary Palestinians that Israel only understands the language of force. And its Hamas who are doing this. Which correlates with previous article I posted up about why Hamas gets support. They reckoned if elections were held Hamas would get a lot of seats. It would be even with Fatah/ PLO
Excellent reporters on the ground in C4.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Be very surprised if they don't kick something off to try to undermine the support the Palestinians are receiving.
not-bono-ever
meh
the cops need to give their sex case image a bit of a boost. nothing like battering harmless civilians under whatever guise to raise their profile amongst the gammonati. They truly are the muscle of capital and the political class now. scum
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
That is certainly the language the Home Secretary (and the wider government) is trying to use, but all I would say there is that she / they've done nothing legislatively or in policy terms to bring any of that about. They've not even rescinded their directives around the recording of non hate crime incidents which could be very relevant here.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Re the marches.
As they are big and PSC are doing a great job in organizing frequent marches the pushback I think is on the propaganda front.
Keep bringing up the minority of placards etc which are problematic/ keep saying they are Hate marches/ Go on and on about the From the River to the Sea chant, keep asking people whether they think Israel has a right to exist.
Its the drip drip accusations and painting of the marches as people screaming hate. Fuelling division.
Do this enough and some of it sticks.
As they are big and PSC are doing a great job in organizing frequent marches the pushback I think is on the propaganda front.
Keep bringing up the minority of placards etc which are problematic/ keep saying they are Hate marches/ Go on and on about the From the River to the Sea chant, keep asking people whether they think Israel has a right to exist.
Its the drip drip accusations and painting of the marches as people screaming hate. Fuelling division.
Do this enough and some of it sticks.
not-bono-ever
meh
i recall hearing of Paris summer 68, where le flic were kept in their suffocating vans for hours with only cases of police supplied cheeky red vin de table to keep them company until it was time to let them loose. The met are probably putting in a big order for red bull and vodka in anticipation of the big days ahead
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
There's a lot of bull coming out from the cops as ever
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
not likely, they rarely go much beyond bottled tap water
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Must be very frustrating for Home secretary and Met that these demonstrators are so peaceful. Include a lot of families. Keep on the route and generally behave themselves.
So the Met and Home Secretary have to resort to post demo arrests by scouring footage for the miniscule number of problematic placards and chants.
So the Met and Home Secretary have to resort to post demo arrests by scouring footage for the miniscule number of problematic placards and chants.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
These have been the most peaceful and well behaved marches I've ever been on.
People who have every right to be angry and unreasonable being good natured and reasonable.
johnwesley
Member
Some kindly fellow has made all their extensive library about Israel/Palestine free to all.
drive.google.com
Palestine - Israel – Google Drive
drive.google.com
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Saw this on Novara Media.
An elected politician and minister in government calling for Israel to have sanctions, arms embargo and Netanyahu to put up for war crimes.
How refreshing and how unlikely to happen here.
Ione Belarra leader of Podemos and Minister of Social Rights.
Bastini puts forward that a major reason for getting rid of Corbyn and Starmers push to get rid of anyone remotely sharing same politics is that the establishment didn't want someone like that near foreign policy. Starmer has brought it back to we will wait to see what Biden decides and then follow.
So in UK end up with two main parties basically agreeing with each other and any other voices pushed into the wilderness. Except on this Joe Public are making themselves heard.
Really cheered me up listening to her.
JimW
支那暗杀团
Well-worded statement of the obvious: Collective Punishment in Gaza Will Not Bring Israel Security
Short piece that traces the development of the doctrine and its failures.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
This was hard to watch.
I vaguely remember a story about her donating to the IDF during protective edge.
This also seems to be a lie. I mean come on!
www.google.co.uk
This also seems to be a lie. I mean come on!
Fact Check: Video Caption Falsely Claims UCLA Pro-Palestinian Demonstrators Chanted, 'We Want Jewish Genocide'
In reality, the crowd was chanting, "Israel, Israel, you can't hide. We charge you with genocide."
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