I wouldn't expect but would also encourage the UK to provide defensive support against Israeli missile attacks.
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kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Depends - imv - entirely on what the Iranians have hit.
Fortunately there hasn't been significant loss of life. If an Iranian warhead had piled into an orphanage in Haifa and killed 100 kids, we'd be having a different conversation.
It's pretty solid that the Iranians have scored hits on the Israeli air base that houses their F-35's, and the Israeli air dropped nuclear arsenal. What we don't know is what damage has been done, if any.
They might go for Iranian nuclear facilities, they might go for the Revolutionary Guard, or they might go for the oil and gas industry. Probably all three, but what mix, and to what extent, is tea leaves stuff.
My assumption is that they'll go heavily on the RG, the missile production lines, and the nuclear stuff. Wouldn't be surprised if a they go for a refinery somewhere near Tehran so everyone can see that they've had a pop,rather than it all being in the middle of nowhere where noone lives.
Possibly. I know they have done so before. But I would’ve thought most of the infrastructure is very hard to get at,, deep underground. Perhaps a few IRG bases.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Though, there seemed to be something quite performative about the heavily publicised use of "bunker buster" munitions to take out Nasrallah.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
What annoys me is that thousands of civilians have died in Gaza and Israel is ploughing ahead with yet more settlement building in West Bank but it's considered reasonable and sensible to aid Israel when Iran fires missiles at it
Starmer has got on his high horse about it. But on the ICJ ruling on the occupation and the vote on it in UN this government of UK abstained.
Palestinian lives and justice for Palestinians takes back seat when it comes down to it
I watched Netanyahu speech to UN yesterday. Thought it was a bit far fetched. But TBF it's not that out of line with foreign policy of countries like mine in practice.
It comes across now as a clever stroke of Netanyahu government to attack Lebanon. Now all "right thinking" people are lining up to support Israel.
Sure Israel has a right to defend itself. It can do it imo without any support from this country.
Starmer has got on his high horse about it. But on the ICJ ruling on the occupation and the vote on it in UN this government of UK abstained.
Palestinian lives and justice for Palestinians takes back seat when it comes down to it
I watched Netanyahu speech to UN yesterday. Thought it was a bit far fetched. But TBF it's not that out of line with foreign policy of countries like mine in practice.
It comes across now as a clever stroke of Netanyahu government to attack Lebanon. Now all "right thinking" people are lining up to support Israel.
Sure Israel has a right to defend itself. It can do it imo without any support from this country.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I'm no expert but I'd have thought that if Israel seriously decided to fuck up Iran's nuclear facilities, they'd be perfectly capable of doing so, particularly with US assistance.
Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
That’s what stuxnet was for.
dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
Unless you are putting nukes on the end of the missiles a decoy is just as expensive as an explosive one
Stopping Iran’s attack would have forced Israel to use sophisticated – and expensive – defences
Despite launching 180 ballistic missiles, Iran is likely to have wanted to keep most of its stock in case of a full-blown war with Israelwww.theguardian.com
Does anyone know about rockets and stuff. If each Israeli defence missile is so expensive, what's to stop Iran launching hundreds of cheap dummy rockets - thereby depleting Israeli stock and costing them a fortune?
What's the flaw in my question? Is it that it wouldn't actually be cheap, or that it isn't feasible technically, or it's tactically pointless?
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
TBF I think the point where that was possible is long past. Iran isn't an isolated nation having to struggle to develop nuclear weapons on its own; if they were sufficiently inclined to do so I am sure one could be set off as a test within a few months. It might even be the case that friendly nations lend them one in order to test it.
Hezbollah kills at least eight Israeli soldiers after south Lebanon infiltration attempt
middleeasteye. 2 October 2024
middleeasteye. 2 October 2024
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Compare this to some posters views on here now
elbows
Well-Known Member
AL Jazeera reporting that:
Developing story so I just got that from their live updates page at this time (this link should automatically scroll down to the update in question) Iran tells US not seeking regional war but ‘unilateral self-restraint’ over
Developing story so I just got that from their live updates page at this time (this link should automatically scroll down to the update in question) Iran tells US not seeking regional war but ‘unilateral self-restraint’ over
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
At least someone has managed to bomb an orphanage
Israel kills children in attack on Gaza City orphanage
An Israeli strike in Gaza City has hit a school for orphans, killing mostly children and women taking refuge there.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
At least someone has managed to bomb an orphanage
Israel kills children in attack on Gaza City orphanage
An Israeli strike in Gaza City has hit a school for orphans, killing mostly children and women taking refuge there.www.aljazeera.com
Not just the Al-Amal orphanage but also the Nuseirat Girl's school and a building housing sleeping emergency workers. 65 dead, many more injured.
Good job Israel did this or we'd be having a different conversation.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Only democracy in the Middle East , western values etc
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
More than that. Bombing orphanages and girls schools is defending Western civilization.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
The man at end of the clip made a good point.
The line developed that Israel is defending itself is really that Israel wants the right to repress Palestinians.
As he says you cannot occupy a peoples land and cry foul when they oppose this.
The news footage from 1982 was jaw dropping. That would count here on these threads as example of "extreme left" talking.
The Hasbara/ propaganda the clip said was developed after the disastrous PR Israel got when it attacked Lebanon.
So that is where Israel has a right to defend itself started on advice of leading advertising agencies brought in the clean up Israel image.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Occupation of the American Mind - WATCH THE FILM FOR FREE
www.occupationmovie.org
The doc looks worth watching
Found it on YouTube.
On my watch list.
Thanks for this The39thStep
_Russ_
Never not Knowingly Misunderstood
WTF is this? (Somewhere in Southern Lebanon allegedly)
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
it sort of looks like how a WP shell-burst appears, except vertical and much higher up in the air - this is how that looks:
Raining White Phosphorus
Coalition forces shell ISIS with white phosphorus in Raqqa, Syria on June 8th.
_Russ_
Never not Knowingly Misunderstood
Yea I guess it does, just seemed odd that the trails all looked paralell, I suppose if it exploded high enough it would appear as in those picture. Ive only ever seen the shots of low altitude dispersion before where it obviously radiates from a point.it sort of looks like how a WP shell-burst appears, except vertical and much higher up in the air - this is how that looks:
Raining White Phosphorus
Coalition forces shell ISIS with white phosphorus in Raqqa, Syria on June 8th.www.military.com
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
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www.middleeasteye.net
Nasrallah, Netanyahu agreed to a truce before Israel assassinated Hezbollah leader: Report
Iran's supreme leader sent commander Abbas Nilforoushan to warn Nasrallah about assassination and was killed alongside Hezbollah leader
www.middleeasteye.net
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
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Nasrallah, Netanyahu agreed to a truce before Israel assassinated Hezbollah leader: Report
Iran's supreme leader sent commander Abbas Nilforoushan to warn Nasrallah about assassination and was killed alongside Hezbollah leader
Am I reading this right?
According to Lebanon foreign minister:
US/ France had got Netanyahu to agree to in principle to a truce. As did head of Hezbollah
Next day head of Hezbollah is assassinated
So head of Hezbollah might have got complacent about security. Thinking truce was in sight is how I read it
As article says this shows that Netanyahu just doesn't want peace.
Example also being killing of Hamas major figure in Tehran
But then Biden also made clear he wasn't that bothered about killing of head of Hezbollah.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
TBF Biden might’ve had other reasons to say that - the dead Marines being the most obvious, but also that an ally had so rigorously penetrated US security that they were able to get the location of someone that the US had been (indeed may have been at the time) negotiating with.
Like the killing of Haniyeh it is perhaps not a coincidence that negotiations with each occurred right before their deaths.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Whilst this Israeli recklessness is deeply disgusting, the extremists are people like you, who choose to ignore Hezbollah's equal culpability by locating high value targets in civilian areas; and whose current outrage was conspicuous by its absence when Hamas deliberately murdered scores of kids at a rave last October.
teqniq
DisMembered
Doctor, my sides. Get a grip.
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gosub
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Can't see this help in getting back hostages
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