no i think we should not be getting involved in yet another pointless war in the Middle East
Israel and hezbollah after the exploding pagers
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Starry Wisdom
Yeh and we would do but we have starmer handed an early opportunity to have a war
i do believe a big part of the dislike for Starmer has been his insouciance vis a vis the plight of Palestinian civilians
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
And his insouciance towards pensioners dying of hypothermia
Dimi Reider on Israel's motivation for attacking Lebanon
dimireider.substack.com
Israel's logic in Lebanon—and the Friedman Factor
Why is Netanyahu starting a cataclysmic new war when he can get the same results through a ceasefire, and why he is betting the house on Iran staying out.
dimireider.substack.com
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
It'd show the genocidal zionists a thing or two
WouldBe
Dislicksick
The more they try to get missiles past Israel's iron dome system the less Iran will have to send to Russia to use against Ukraine.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Already involved in a limited way.
UK forces involved in response to Iran attacks on Israel
The BBC understands jets were used, as they were in April in an action backed at the time by Sir Keir Starmer.
www.bbc.co.uk
Not in Lebanon as such but in opposing Iranian missiles.
So in practise when it comes down to it this country is already supporting Israel militarily.
And help with training
Amid Lebanon invasion, UK covers up Israel military training
To protect its ally, Britain’s military is refusing to give details about its coaching of Israeli troops.
www.declassifieduk.org
I don't think this country should be giving Israel any military support whatsoever,
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tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
Israel and Iran frequently attack each other.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I would expect and encourage the UK to provide defensive support against Iranian missile attacks.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Why?
(I doubt there was any kinetic UK involvement. we don't have much anti-ballistic missile capability - it's all on the T45 destroyers, and while there is one in the Med, it's a point defence capability, not a theatre wide one. I'd be genuinely surprised if UK involvement went further than radar picture from Cyprus and the RN in the Med, and signals intelligence)
Counter-argument: each successful Iranian missile strike in Israel pushes/pulls Israel towards a larger, harder retaliation. The less damage is done, the fewer Israelis skilled/injured, the less that Israel feels it 'needs' to teach Iran a lesson - not least because the 'lesson' is showing Iran to be unable to hurt Israel.
The April attacks are an example of this: huge effort by Iran, but minimal impact on Israel - Israel did retaliate, but it was relatively small scale stuff. Imagine how Israel would have retaliated if, instead of a dozen or so missiles getting through, a hundred had got through?
Larry O'Hara
Well-Known Member
But surely not surprised?
Larry O'Hara
Well-Known Member
I would not expect but would encourage the UK to provide defensive support against Israeli genocidal attacks
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I would too if that support was diplomatic.
Arming Hezbollah and Hamas would be a bit of a no-no though.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
Stopping Iran’s attack would have forced Israel to use sophisticated – and expensive – defences
Despite launching 180 ballistic missiles, Iran is likely to have wanted to keep most of its stock in case of a full-blown war with Israel
Does anyone know about rockets and stuff. If each Israeli defence missile is so expensive, what's to stop Iran launching hundreds of cheap dummy rockets - thereby depleting Israeli stock and costing them a fortune?
What's the flaw in my question? Is it that it wouldn't actually be cheap, or that it isn't feasible technically, or it's tactically pointless?
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
Would be nice if they could take a stance against those "settlers" (and their enablers) who force Palestinians off their land too. I would support an even handed approach.
Larry O'Hara
Well-Known Member
Don’t need to arm them
1. Arms embargo on Israel
2. Shooting down F35 genocide planes
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Stopping Iran’s attack would have forced Israel to use sophisticated – and expensive – defences
Despite launching 180 ballistic missiles, Iran is likely to have wanted to keep most of its stock in case of a full-blown war with Israelwww.theguardian.com
Does anyone know about rockets and stuff. If each Israeli defence missile is so expensive, what's to stop Iran launching hundreds of cheap dummy rockets - thereby depleting Israeli stock and costing them a fortune?
What's the flaw in my question? Is it that it wouldn't actually be cheap, or that it isn't feasible technically, or it's tactically pointless?
That’s effectively what the Iranian proxies do with their short range rockets. Most of them are solid fuel, not much bigger than the ones some ( extreme) hobbyists make here. They can put them together for a couple of hundred dollars each. The Israeli interceptors and other countermeasures are more expensive, $1000 to $100,000s per weapon. So far though Israel have been able to afford it.
The Iranian ballistic missiles are far far more expensive.i’d guess over $1m a weapon. So though they will have a lot it's unlikely they will have thousands and thousands to launch. They mostly used liquid fuelled rocket engines, the design taken from North Korea which can trace their developments via the Russians to the German V2s, but with much better guidance. But Iran has now moved to solid fuel motor missiles. I’m sure all round the world lots of people who used to spend their time sellotaping maps together are working out how many of both kinds were used last night and how much it all cost.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Keen but messy herb gardeners, with too much thyme on their hands
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
That’s cos it’s the tip of the iceberg.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
Lettuce not start with all the puns now.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
But your post was a little gem.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Their nuclear program.
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