Israel and hezbollah after the exploding pagers

[Duncan2]

You think the UK should back Iran?

no i think we should not be getting involved in yet another pointless war in the Middle East

 

[Pickman's model]

no i think we should not be getting involved in yet another pointless war in the Middle East

Yeh and we would do but we have starmer handed an early opportunity to have a war

 

[Duncan2]

Yeh and we would do but we have starmer handed an early opportunity to have a war

i do believe a big part of the dislike for Starmer has been his insouciance vis a vis the plight of Palestinian civilians

 

[Pickman's model]

i do believe a big part of the dislike for Starmer has been his insouciance vis a vis the plight of Palestinian civilians

And his insouciance towards pensioners dying of hypothermia

 

[zahir]

Dimi Reider on Israel's motivation for attacking Lebanon

Israel's logic in Lebanon—and the Friedman Factor

Why is Netanyahu starting a cataclysmic new war when he can get the same results through a ceasefire, and why he is betting the house on Iran staying out.

dimireider.substack.com

 

[Pickman's model]

You think the UK should back Iran?

It'd show the genocidal zionists a thing or two

 

[WouldBe]

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The more they try to get missiles past Israel's iron dome system the less Iran will have to send to Russia to use against Ukraine.

 

[Gramsci]

No doubt about it if this invasion goes pear shaped we will be dragged into it and I have no wish to support Israel in any way at all.

Already involved in a limited way.

UK forces involved in response to Iran attacks on Israel

British forces "played their part" in attempts to prevent further escalation, the defence secretary says.

www.bbc.co.uk

Not in Lebanon as such but in opposing Iranian missiles.

So in practise when it comes down to it this country is already supporting Israel militarily.

And help with training

Amid Lebanon invasion, UK covers up Israel military training

To protect its ally, Britain’s military is refusing to give details about its coaching of Israeli troops.

www.declassifieduk.org

I don't think this country should be giving Israel any military support whatsoever,

 

[Spymaster]

UK in Israel support shocker!

 

[tim]

if you caught Netanyahu's "direct" appeal to the Iranian people it is possible to interpret his remarks as meaning that they the Iranian people should expect "regime change" in due course- meanwhile he was also expanding on Israel's ability to strike anywhere in the region at a time of its choosing. It is not outlandish to suppose that Israel could attack Iran- we know which side the US and therefore the UK would take in that eventuality- the wrong one as usual.

Israel and Iran frequently attack each other.

 

[Chilli.s]

Disappointed to find out about UK military involvement already

 

[Spymaster]

Disappointed to find out about UK military involvement already

I would expect and encourage the UK to provide defensive support against Iranian missile attacks.

 

[kebabking]

Disappointed to find out about UK military involvement already

Why?

(I doubt there was any kinetic UK involvement. we don't have much anti-ballistic missile capability - it's all on the T45 destroyers, and while there is one in the Med, it's a point defence capability, not a theatre wide one. I'd be genuinely surprised if UK involvement went further than radar picture from Cyprus and the RN in the Med, and signals intelligence)

Counter-argument: each successful Iranian missile strike in Israel pushes/pulls Israel towards a larger, harder retaliation. The less damage is done, the fewer Israelis skilled/injured, the less that Israel feels it 'needs' to teach Iran a lesson - not least because the 'lesson' is showing Iran to be unable to hurt Israel.

The April attacks are an example of this: huge effort by Iran, but minimal impact on Israel - Israel did retaliate, but it was relatively small scale stuff. Imagine how Israel would have retaliated if, instead of a dozen or so missiles getting through, a hundred had got through?

 

[Larry O'Hara]

Disappointed to find out about UK military involvement already

But surely not surprised?

 

[Larry O'Hara]

I would expect and encourage the UK to provide defensive support against Iranian missile attacks.

I would not expect but would encourage the UK to provide defensive support against Israeli genocidal attacks

 

[Spymaster]

I would not expect but would encourage the UK to provide defensive support against Israeli genocidal attacks

I would too if that support was diplomatic.

Arming Hezbollah and Hamas would be a bit of a no-no though.

 

[Favelado]

Stopping Iran’s attack would have forced Israel to use sophisticated – and expensive – defences

Despite launching 180 ballistic missiles, Iran is likely to have wanted to keep most of its stock in case of a full-blown war with Israel

www.theguardian.com

Does anyone know about rockets and stuff. If each Israeli defence missile is so expensive, what's to stop Iran launching hundreds of cheap dummy rockets - thereby depleting Israeli stock and costing them a fortune?

What's the flaw in my question? Is it that it wouldn't actually be cheap, or that it isn't feasible technically, or it's tactically pointless?

 

[Johnny Vodka]

I would expect and encourage the UK to provide defensive support against Iranian missile attacks.

Would be nice if they could take a stance against those "settlers" (and their enablers) who force Palestinians off their land too. I would support an even handed approach.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

I would too if that support was diplomatic.

Arming Hezbollah and Hamas would be a bit of a no-no though.

Don’t need to arm them

1. Arms embargo on Israel

2. Shooting down F35 genocide planes

 

[Spymaster]

Don’t need to arm them

1. Arms embargo on Israel

2. Shooting down F35 genocide planes

1) Yes.

2) No.

 

[A380]

Stopping Iran’s attack would have forced Israel to use sophisticated – and expensive – defences

Despite launching 180 ballistic missiles, Iran is likely to have wanted to keep most of its stock in case of a full-blown war with Israel

www.theguardian.com

Does anyone know about rockets and stuff. If each Israeli defence missile is so expensive, what's to stop Iran launching hundreds of cheap dummy rockets - thereby depleting Israeli stock and costing them a fortune?

What's the flaw in my question? Is it that it wouldn't actually be cheap, or that it isn't feasible technically, or it's tactically pointless?

That’s effectively what the Iranian proxies do with their short range rockets. Most of them are solid fuel, not much bigger than the ones some ( extreme) hobbyists make here. They can put them together for a couple of hundred dollars each. The Israeli interceptors and other countermeasures are more expensive, $1000 to $100,000s per weapon. So far though Israel have been able to afford it.

The Iranian ballistic missiles are far far more expensive.i’d guess over $1m a weapon. So though they will have a lot it's unlikely they will have thousands and thousands to launch. They mostly used liquid fuelled rocket engines, the design taken from North Korea which can trace their developments via the Russians to the German V2s, but with much better guidance. But Iran has now moved to solid fuel motor missiles. I’m sure all round the world lots of people who used to spend their time sellotaping maps together are working out how many of both kinds were used last night and how much it all cost.

 

[Pickman's model]

That’s effectively what the Iranian proxies do with their short range rockets. Most of them are solid fuel, not much bigger than the ones some ( extreme) hobbyists make here. They can put them together for a couple of hundred dollars each. The Israeli interceptors and other countermeasures are more expensive, $1000 to $100,000s per weapon. So far though Israel have been able to afford it.

The Iranian ballistic missiles are far far more expensive.i’d guess over $1m a weapon. So though they will have a lot it's unlikely they will have thousands and thousands to launch. They mostly used liquid fuelled rocket engines, the design taken from North Korea which can trace their developments via the Russians to the German V2s, but with much better guidance. But Iran has now moved to solid fuel motor missiles. I’m sure all round the world lots of people who spend used to spend their time sellotaping maps together are working out how many of both kinds were used last night and how much it all cost.

Keen but messy herb gardeners, with too much thyme on their hands

 

[A380]

Keen but messy herb gardeners, with too much thyme on their hands

That’s cos it’s the tip of the iceberg.

 

[Serge Forward]

Lettuce not start with all the puns now.

 

[Favelado]

Truss me when I say it's better to turn over a new leaf

 

[Favelado]

God I hate myself but I couldn't stop myself posting.

 

[Serge Forward]

God I hate myself but I couldn't stop myself posting.

But your post was a little gem.

 

[Smangus]

Bad puns are not very apeeling.

 

[xenon]

what do we think Israel’s response will be? What will they target?

 

[Spymaster]

what do we think Israel’s response will be? What will they target?

Their nuclear program.