Israel-Iran conflicts - news and discussion

[PTK]

The brightness of the baddies stuff and goodies stuff in the sky vary providing information on what is in the air. Some shit delivered by ballistic missile can fly about a bit under its own power.

Which side is "the baddies" and which "the goodies"? I imagine that both sides have arguments that can justify what they have done.

 

[2hats]

Ballistic projectiles are termed so because a portion of their trajectory is ballistic (in the sense of classical mechanics). Missiles, which use rocket motors in the initial boost phase are, technically, not purely ballistic. A hand-thrown rock is ballistic once it leaves your grip. A missile is not ballistic until it reaches the end of powered flight (and ceases to then be ballistic if it has the means, ignoring basic fluid drag, to accelerate and exercises such, eg hypersonic glide vehicle/lifting body-type surfaces/additional motors/etc, as a means of pointing, navigation and guidance).

But it's not just a matter of firing off a projectile and leaving it to run to the target. The warhead/entry body has to be stabilised for delivery.

 

[tim]

Any concrete examples? Gen question

Some stuff on the state of the relationship up until the end of last year here, since when there has been some deterioration.

Russia and Israel: The End of «Special Relations»? – Riddle Russia

Vladimir (Ze

ridl.io

Netanyahu using his close relationship with Putin to court voters here

Israel's Netanyahu tries to poach 'Russian vote' from old rival - France 24

Israel's Netanyahu tries to poach 'Russian vote' from old rival

www.france24.com

Some stuff from the Torygraph claiming that Netanyahu was asking the Russians to intercede with Iran yesterday.

Netanyahu considered asking Putin to stop Iran

Phone call allegedly co-ordinated between former allies ahead of missile strike on Tuesday evening

www.telegraph.co.uk

A recent Aljazeera article on some of the nuances on Israeli and Palestinian relationship with Israel.

What’s behind Russia’s ‘soft power’ moves on Israel-Palestine?

Mahmoud Abbas is the latest Palestinian leader to visit Moscow amid Israel’s continuing onslaught of Gaza.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[HeAthen]

Israel not happy with the UN chief's reaction to Iran's actions (although he didn't actually mention Iran anyway). Typical rogue state behavior from Katz.

UN Secretary General António Guterres condemns Iran attack after Israel ban

António Guterres said it was time to stop what he called the 'deadly cycle of tit-for-tat violence' in the Middle East.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[TopCat]

Israel not happy with the UN chief's reaction to Iran's actions (although he didn't actually mention Iran anyway). Typical rogue state behavior from Katz.

UN Secretary General António Guterres condemns Iran attack after Israel ban

António Guterres said it was time to stop what he called the 'deadly cycle of tit-for-tat violence' in the Middle East.

www.bbc.co.uk

It’s the usual bullshit, sadly prevalent across the globe. Full throated support for Israel or you are the Ayatollah.

 

[Spymaster]

Israel not happy with the UN chief's reaction to Iran's actions (although he didn't actually mention Iran anyway). Typical rogue state behavior from Katz.

UN Secretary General António Guterres condemns Iran attack after Israel ban

António Guterres said it was time to stop what he called the 'deadly cycle of tit-for-tat violence' in the Middle East.

www.bbc.co.uk

Lol at him being 'banned from Israel'.

About as bothersome as being banned from Pyongyang.

 

[teqniq]

Good analysis here:

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[_Russ_]

"A high tech war against Israel and potentially the United States"

They are already in that situation in all but the technicalities of the definition of "at war".
Fighting Israel is fighting USA, UK etc etc

 

[2hats]

Something probably hit a building roof at Nevatim. May just have been post-intercept debris/kinetic.

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[elbows]

AL Jazeera live updates page reports that Iran sent a message to the US via Qatar, which included "the phase of unilateral self-restraint has ended"

Iran tells US not seeking regional war but ‘unilateral self-restraint’ over

At least nine killed in Israeli air attack on central Beirut, as fights in southern Lebanon intensify.

aje.io

 

[Peter Norf]

Lol at him being 'banned from Israel'.

About as bothersome as being banned from Pyongyang.

You not a fan of the buckwheat noodles then?

 

[teqniq]

Well this is complete bullshit. The US in particular could have pulled the plug on all this carnage months ago by withholding money and armaments. They choose not to:

US and G7 have little sway over Israel while warning against strikes on Iran’s nuclear facility

 

[yield]

Gulf states assure Iran of their neutrality, as US looks to aid Israel
nationalheraldindia. 04 Oct 2024

The Gulf states' united stance also strives to strike a balance between a regional and political loyalty to Iran and staying on good terms with the powerful Western powers, including the US. It also underscores the desire of these nations to maintain their own sovereignty and avoid being drawn into wider conflicts.

By not allowing US forces to use their airbases against Iran, for instance, these countries will hope to avoid exacerbating tensions with Tehran, particularly given the historical and geopolitical intricacies of the region.

This neutrality can also be seen as part of a broader strategy to foster diplomatic ties and stabilise their own national interests.

How this will impact regional security, diplomatic relations and the ongoing conflicts remains to be seen, but it highlights the shifting alliances and the delicate balance of power in the Middle East.

Maybe the death of Hassan Nasrallah, has made Mohammed bin Salman worried?

"escalate to de-escalate"

Here’s Where U.S. Forces Are Deployed in the Middle East
Oct. 2, 2024 https://archive.ph/ErxbH

A long list

 

[teqniq]

In light of the assassination of Hassan Nasrallah and now it looks like his successor Hashem Safieddine as well (who hasn't been heard from since the Israeli strike that purportedly targeted him), it looks like Hezbollah and Iran have a major security issue:

 

[Dogsauce]

Netanyahu will strike Iran’s oil infrastructure won’t he? Not only will that deny Iran an income, it will also push up oil prices and fuck the democrats in the US ahead of the election, another desirable result for Israel.

 

[Pickman's model]

Netanyahu will strike Iran’s oil infrastructure won’t he? Not only will that deny Iran an income, it will also push up oil prices and fuck the democrats in the US ahead of the election, another desirable result for Israel.

You say that. But America is largely self-sufficient in oil https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2022-02-28/where-does-the-u-s-get-its-oil

 

[yield]

Iran cannot set off a global oil crisis without hurting its biggest ally
telegraph. 04 October 2024. Ambrose Evans-Pritchard https://archive.ph/8Ufsb

Democrats are terrified of a pre-election spike in petrol prices. Americans drive twice as far as Britons or Germans and their cars need 50pc more fuel per mile. Average prices at the pump have dropped to $3.18 from over $5 two years ago, but are still far above pre-pandemic levels. Kamala Harris’s fortunes depend to an extraordinary degree on what happens to this one price over the next four weeks.

Joe Biden has left her precariously exposed by halving the US strategic petroleum reserve (SPR) over the last two years to 383m barrels – or 19 days’ cover. He ordered the largest release ever after the invasion of Ukraine but then continued to flood the market through 2022 long after it was no longer necessary, suppressing prices long enough to help his party in the midterm elections.

“We urge you, in the strongest terms, to put this country’s energy security first and stop abusing the SPR for political purposes,” wrote the top Republicans on the House and Senate energy committees. Well, indeed.

However, the US will not run out of oil whatever happens because Washington will restrict oil exports if need be, in order to trap its own production inside the closed US economy and hold down prices. It has done so before.

The Middle East may still be America’s political problem. But these days, it is China’s energy supply problem. That entirely changes the geopolitical landscape.

How much do the Israelis want to piss off the Russians?

And

Does Taiwan’s massive reliance on energy imports put its security at risk?

Taipei relies on maritime imports for around 97 percent of its energy, even as Beijing appears increasingly capable of launching a quarantine, blockade, siege, or even invasion of the island.

www.atlanticcouncil.org

 

[teqniq]

Couple of perspectives here, one more a great deal more left-field than the other. But what they both have in common is a perception the Israel is more vulnerable than it appears. The Observer piece claims that the Nevatim airbase was hit 32 times in the most recent Iranian missile strike:

Escalation with Iran could be risky: Israel is more vulnerable than it seems

Intelligence analysis of Tehran’s attack suggests that much-touted Israeli missile defences are not, in fact, impregnable

www.theguardian.com

Israel is nervous

Reality is finally dawning

www.antiimperialist.news

 

[brogdale]

The regime obviously thinks the zionists are going early on the anniversary missiles...

 

[Spymaster]

The regime obviously thinks the zionists are going early on the anniversary missiles...

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Tbf, anyone choosing to fly over Iran at the moment is probably a few fries short of a Happy Meal.

 

[brogdale]

Tbf, anyone choosing to fly over Iran at the moment is probably a few fries short of a Happy Meal.

Yes, not something I was planning this Sunday evening.

 

[Duncan2]

And reports of an "earthquake" in the Iranian desert.What's that all about?

 

[brogdale]

And reports of an "earthquake" in the Iranian desert.What's that all about?

Movement at the convergence of the Eurasian and Arabian tectonic plates?

 

[Duncan2]

Sounds plausible

 

[brogdale]

So, obviously they're avoiding the actual anniversary itself; do the missiles get loosed off after midnight?

 

[planetgeli]

So, obviously they're avoiding the actual anniversary itself; do the missiles get loosed off after midnight?

Whose?

Hezbollah have fired 135 rockets at Haifa and Tiberias today.

Israel has again bombed the shit out of Lebanon.

 

[brogdale]

Whose?

Hezbollah have fired 135 rockets at Haifa and Tiberias today.

Israel has again bombed the shit out of Lebanon.

Well, this being the Israel-Iran conflict thread, I was thinking of the zionists' missiles to be fired at Iran.

 

[planetgeli]

Well, this being the Israel-Iran conflict thread, I was thinking of the zionists' missiles to be fired at Iran.

For sure, there's a Venn diagram here. (And relevant threads, you're right).

I just don't think anyone was ever going to be playing a game of football today.

 

[teqniq]

'The shift comes as Israeli officials aim to avoid escalating into a broader regional war, despite recent Iranian missile attacks.'

What some people seem to think has actually happened is that the US has declined to become actively involved in this and without their assistance they can't carry out strikes on nuclear facilities. Seems pretty likely to me, thank fuck:

 

[Pickman's model]

'The shift comes as Israeli officials aim to avoid escalating into a broader regional war, despite recent Iranian missile attacks.'

What some people seem to think has actually happened is that the US has declined to become actively involved in this and without their assistance they can't carry out strikes on nuclear facilities. Seems pretty likely to me, thank fuck:

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Yeh and they agreed a ceasefire with nasrallah. Just before killing him. If I had to put on a bet, I'd say the zionists are trying to mess with Iranian minds