Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
LDC
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Depends on what they see the threat as (range and location for example), what control they have over monitoring those threats, and how many people at risk there are within that range, how practical a bigger evacuation is, etc. There might be, for example, populations within that range but then open countryside for much further before the next significant population areas. There's always going to be some practical and balanced limit of where evacuations happen to. The evacuation might also be about clearing an area for a military build-up rather than solely being about making a population safe from attack.
With no knowledge of all the factors like that suggesting its not a real evacuation is an example of how so many on the left fall into fake news, conspiracy theories and sometimes anti-semitism.
You don't even have to look very far for some explanation...
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TopCat
Putin fanboy
Summarise it please?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
They're starving the palestinians to divide them from hamas
BBC staff in London say they fear walking outside alone after being harassed by the Iranian authorities, with British counter-terrorism police warning of an increased security threat.
The Guardian has been told that journalists at the BBC’s Persian language news outlet are being targeted with offensive messages and threats of sexual assault, with reports of family members based in Iran being arbitrarily detained.
In one message, an Iranian-British journalist working for the BBC says she was told: “On Westminster Bridge is a very deep river. It doesn’t matter that you don’t live in Iran – we can also do whatever we want in London.”
www.theguardian.com
The Guardian has been told that journalists at the BBC’s Persian language news outlet are being targeted with offensive messages and threats of sexual assault, with reports of family members based in Iran being arbitrarily detained.
In one message, an Iranian-British journalist working for the BBC says she was told: “On Westminster Bridge is a very deep river. It doesn’t matter that you don’t live in Iran – we can also do whatever we want in London.”
Iran accused of threatening ‘terrified’ BBC staff in London
Journalists at BBC Persian says they are scared to go out alone as UK counter-terrorism police raise security levels and staff warned: ‘we can do whatever we want in London’
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
This is apparently a transcript of a survvivor of the 7.10 attacks, who believes that most people taken hostage with her were killed in the crossfire between Hamas and the IDF.
electronicintifada.net
And her claims will be argued over for years to come.
E2A: And see also -
www.amnesty.org
Israeli forces shot their own civilians, kibbutz survivor says
Palestinian fighters treated Israeli captives "humanely," recalls Yasmin Porat.
electronicintifada.net
And her claims will be argued over for years to come.
E2A: And see also -
Israel: Palestinian armed groups must be held accountable for deliberate civilian killings, abductions and indiscriminate attacks
Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups flagrantly violated international law and displayed a chilling disregard for human life by carrying out cruel and brutal crimes including mass summary killings, hostage-taking, and launching indiscriminate rocket attacks into Israel, Amnesty International...
www.amnesty.org
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It's amazing how the Western MSM just assumes there's going to be a massacre, treating it like a natural and inevitable course of events.
Extremely implausible deniability.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
A silencing of Palestinian voices.
Palestinian voices ‘shut down’ at Frankfurt Book Fair, say authors
Open letter rebukes LitProm decision to cancel award ceremony for Adania Shibli due to ‘war started by Hamas’
The novel sounds interesting. Voices like this should be able to use their position to talk about this conflict from a Palestinian point of view.
The way it ends up being portrayed is either Palestinians as victims ( bombing of Gaza) or islamic terrorists ( Hamas) run by Iran.
That the Palestinians have a culture and are more complex than the media portrayal is lost.
From the article she wanted to attend the award ceremony. To be able to speak in light of recent violence.
Cutting out these voices ends up doing the Palestinians no service at all Or giving a more rounded look at the ongoing conflict.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
I had been thinking of starting a "Palestinian Politics Today" thread, before all this started, but that's been overtaken by events. But the internal politics of the Palestinian nation are very much overlooked, and they will persist in spite of stuff like this:
Two millennia is as nothing in Jerusalem.
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
Yes, I'm sure the tension between Qatar-backed Islamists influenced by the Muslim Brotherhood and secular-leaning nationalists, with both forces threatened by the rising influence of salafi jihadism, all set against the background of an occupying force shaped by 19th/20th century nationalist ideologies, was a big issue 2000 years ago. Fuck off Dwyer.
well, there already has been. it is already a massacre on both sides and there is already a pile of rubble. maybe your YouTuber didn't show you that. or is it a conspiracy?
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
The longer the ground invasion is delayed, the more I'm going to lean towards "Rwanda '94".
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
I think that thread would be valuable, especially since anything on this thread is likely to be drowned out by other news and/or useless shite. Had been wondering whether it'd be worth broadening out the "Hamas ideology" thread to cover more stuff, but starting off a general Palestinian politics one would be good.
What I mean is, the Western MSM just assumes that Israel is about to massacre thousands of civilians. They present this as if it is an understandable, inevitable, even natural, step for Israel to take.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
If things go on like they have been, soon it will "Palestinian Politics Yesterday".
gosub
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Theoretically Jesus was still alive and Muhammad wasn't a twinkle in his parents eye
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
they have form
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
It's inevitable if you drop thousands of bombs, destroy hundreds of homes, cut water, power and deliveries of food and medicines. The Israeli massacre has already started.
Larry O'Hara
Well-Known Member
Yes, Iran has been subjecting the UK to sanctions for years, denying medicines etc…Quite frankly (and without condoning the oppressive Iran regime) these Iran scare stories are designed to prepare ground for military action against Iran. After all it went so well in Libya Iraq and Afghanistan didnt it? Perhaps the Village Idiot Marianna Spring could look into all this?BBC staff in London say they fear walking outside alone after being harassed by the Iranian authorities, with British counter-terrorism police warning of an increased security threat.
The Guardian has been told that journalists at the BBC’s Persian language news outlet are being targeted with offensive messages and threats of sexual assault, with reports of family members based in Iran being arbitrarily detained.
In one message, an Iranian-British journalist working for the BBC says she was told: “On Westminster Bridge is a very deep river. It doesn’t matter that you don’t live in Iran – we can also do whatever we want in London.”
Iran accused of threatening ‘terrified’ BBC staff in London
Journalists at BBC Persian says they are scared to go out alone as UK counter-terrorism police raise security levels and staff warned: ‘we can do whatever we want in London’
The immediate impulse for Hamas' invasion was the desire of some Israelis to rebuild their temple, which was destroyed two thousand years ago. The politics of the ancient world remain active in the Middle East today, difficult though that is for you to understand:
Over 800 Israeli settlers storm Al-Aqsa compound on Sukkot
Rabbis, heads of settlement associations and far-right university lecturers were among 832 people who stormed the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound on Thursday morning.
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PTK
Paul Kegan
Iran forces have been aiding the Assad regime for about ten years.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
Fatah are corrupt and authoritarian as are all their backers in the Arab world as said Arab states want them, a democratic non corrupt Palestinian state would start the Arab street asking awkward questions , The Palestinians make a great proxy force and a cause. Much like the Malvinas for Argentina a viable Palestinian state or Argentina gaining the falklands would defeat the object.
Israel has done everything in its power to undermine the pa including helping to create HAMAS Blowback: How Israel Went From Helping Create Hamas to Bombing It
as a counter to the PLO which has gone well.
Israel has done everything in its power to undermine the pa including helping to create HAMAS Blowback: How Israel Went From Helping Create Hamas to Bombing It
as a counter to the PLO which has gone well.Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
Yeah, tempted to buy it now actually.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
The comment was crass and ill-judged, but Israeli settlers in the West Bank often use biblical justifications for their actions. The Nakba itself is often justified/denied in these terms.
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