Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion

[PTK]

Steve Bell has been apparently been sacked by The Guardian for this cartoon.

 

[spring-peeper]

Rafah crossing will reopen, US' Blinken says after meeting Egyptian president

US secretary of state says he had productive meeting with Egyptian leader al-Sisi in Cairo - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

Really hope that it happens.

Canada is trying to get Canadians out of gaza through Egypt.....

 

[PTK]

Really hope that it happens.

Canada is trying to get Canadians out of gaza through Egypt.....

It was reported that the Egyptians are not going to allow foreign citizens to evacuate via the Rafah crossing until aid to the civilian population is allowed in.

 

[spring-peeper]

It was reported that the Egyptians are not going to allow foreign citizens to evacuate via the Rafah crossing until aid to the civilian population is allowed in.

good - supplies have to get in there.

 

[PTK]

good - supplies have to get in there.

I think it is a good pressure tactic.

 

[phildwyer]

It's amazing how many people fail to grasp that the Ukraine war, for example, is, at root, yet another money making scheme for the usual crew on both sides. Now the meat grinder is in motion yet again in the middle east. Where will it manifest itself after this?

Iran.

 

[phildwyer]

only one side of this is being armed by the west

Same is true of Ukraine. If you can't see the connection you are a bigger fool than I thought.

 

[phildwyer]

Steve Bell has been apparently been sacked by The Guardian for this cartoon.

Criticism of Israel won't be allowed for the duration.

 

[WhyLikeThis]

‘Merica

Boy, 6, killed in anti-Muslim attack, say US police

Police in Illinois link the killing of a boy and injuries to a woman to the ongoing Israel-Gaza war.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[spring-peeper]

I think it is a good pressure tactic.

I totally agree!!!

Once a country gets their citizens out, they will stop caring/applying pressure.

 

[Orang Utan]

Steve Bell has been apparently been sacked by The Guardian for this cartoon.

I thought he’d already been sacked years ago.
Not surprised tbf

 

[ska invita]

Looks like a good piece of work

List of war crimes and crimes qualifying as genocide committed by Israel in Gaza since 7th October 2023 - Yanis Varoufakis

Defenders of Israel’s bombing and invasion of Gaza have challenged me to offer a ‘chapter-and-verse’ list of war crimes that Israel has committed since the Hamas Offensive of 7th October. Here is an indicative, but not exhaustive, list. There is no doubt: Israel is investing in war crimes to...

www.yanisvaroufakis.eu

 

[Eric Jarvis]

I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist but this does seem incredibly fishy. Gaza is tiny. And they were training and planning for years according to that video. How could that go undetected.

For those of us active during the Miners Strike in the 80s it is pretty easy to understand how it went undetected. Governments that rely on telecoms surveillance are totally vulnerable to a combination of misinformation over high tech media and covert communication by low tech methods. What used to happen is that we would arrange demos over the phones we knew were tapped (telephone engineers are generally a thoroughly unionised set of people), and then by word of mouth let people know there would actually be a party at a place overlooking the site of the supposed demo. We would then sip a few beers while watching confused plod wandering around trying to work out what was going on. We had to make our own entertainment in the olden days.

 

[Eric Jarvis]

He was certainly regarded as an unwelcome troublemaker in His own society. The Jews connived in the murder of a Jew.

Let's step away from the labels and look at the underlying realities. Champion of the poor, sick, and dispossessed killed by those with power and influence. That's a historical pattern worth paying attention to.

 

[tim]

I'd feel weird about donating to a charity that mentions any specific religion in their title. I'm sure they are okay, but it just doesn't sit that well with me...

Yes, watch out for those Samaritans with their mountain top animal sacrifices.

 

[Eric Jarvis]

This is pretty impressive:

Well worth watching that entire episode of Up Front. He gets both the Hamas and Israeli government mouthpieces to look like the soulless arrogant bastards they really are. The more I see of Mark Lamont Hill the more he impresses me.

 

[Eric Jarvis]

Yes, watch out for those Samaritans with their mountain top animal sacrifices.

Having worked for them for three years I have a few stories. However none of them actually involve animal sacrifices as such.

 

[Knotted]

No I don’t. I mean Hamas. I’m talking about the reality of any negotiated settlement; whether we like it or not it’s not going to happen while BN leads Israel (and the reactionary religious right) and Hamas are still existing.

Outside Arab parties there are zero leftwing members of the Knesset who are interested in serious negotiations. Metetz have zero MKs. Labour have just 4 and they're no better than Likud/Netanyahu. Jewish Israelis are not voting for a negotiated settlement and that's with a Palestinian Authority that's willing to capitulate.

 

[LDC]

At least some on the left aren't cheering on Hamas, these aren't perfect but better than meaningless slogans as 'solutions' or 'positions'.

Neither Israel nor Hamas! - Anarchist Communist Group

We totally condemn and abhor the indiscriminate bombing of the Gaza strip just as we totally condemn the atrocities recently committed by Hamas against civilians, not just Jews but Christians, Bedouin, and others from around the world. As we said back in 2021 when there was another murderous...

www.anarchistcommunism.org

Neither Hamas Nor Israel

No War But The Class War Please feel free distribute this graphic in your networks.

anarcomuk.uk

And older Editorial #3: Palestine – Israel - Angry Workers

 

[platinumsage]

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Hate to break it to you but they’ve always been irrelevant nutters.

Apart from the fact the SWP supply at least 50% of placards on every demo.

 

[Rimbaud]

Hate to break it to you but they’ve always been irrelevant nutters.

At the time they appeared to be the most relevant socialist party which is why I joined. None of the other left of Labour alternatives were particularly relevant either and all have their share of nutters.

Although looking back through their website for older articles on Hamas it seems their support for them indeed isn't new, but I was unaware of their stance at the time.

 

[Knotted]

At least some on the left aren't cheering on Hamas, these aren't perfect but better than meaningless slogans as 'solutions' or 'positions'.

Neither Israel nor Hamas! - Anarchist Communist Group

We totally condemn and abhor the indiscriminate bombing of the Gaza strip just as we totally condemn the atrocities recently committed by Hamas against civilians, not just Jews but Christians, Bedouin, and others from around the world. As we said back in 2021 when there was another murderous...

www.anarchistcommunism.org

Neither Hamas Nor Israel

No War But The Class War Please feel free distribute this graphic in your networks.

anarcomuk.uk

And older Editorial #3: Palestine – Israel - Angry Workers

Yep, they'll win Twitter with that one!

 

[Sasaferrato]

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Apart from the fact the SWP supply at least 50% of placards on every demo.

Where do they get the money?

 

[Pickman's model]

Outside Arab parties there are zero leftwing members of the Knesset who are interested in serious negotiations. Metetz have zero MKs. Labour have just 4 and they're no better than Likud/Netanyahu. Jewish Israelis are not voting for a negotiated settlement and that's with a Palestinian Authority that's willing to capitulate.

Is there any domestic pressure for a settlement, rather than domestic pressure for new settlements?

 

[emanymton]

Where do they get the money?

Members subs

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

And the last time any negotiated settlement was on the cards was before Hamas took power.

There has been no negotiated settlement. There have been plenty of illegal settlements in the West Bank, however.

 

[hitmouse]

At least some on the left aren't cheering on Hamas, these aren't perfect but better than meaningless slogans as 'solutions' or 'positions'.

Neither Israel nor Hamas! - Anarchist Communist Group

We totally condemn and abhor the indiscriminate bombing of the Gaza strip just as we totally condemn the atrocities recently committed by Hamas against civilians, not just Jews but Christians, Bedouin, and others from around the world. As we said back in 2021 when there was another murderous...

www.anarchistcommunism.org

Neither Hamas Nor Israel

No War But The Class War Please feel free distribute this graphic in your networks.

anarcomuk.uk

And older Editorial #3: Palestine – Israel - Angry Workers

And from the CWO:

The Latest Butchery in the Middle East is Part of the March to Generalised War

(Statement of the Internationalist Communist Tendency) The unprecedented attack on Israel by Hamas is due to closely intertwined domestic and international motives: 1. The removal of Abu Mazen's Palestinian National Authority (PNA), a corrupt and incompetent body which colludes with the Israeli...

www.leftcom.org

 

[hitmouse]

Yep, they'll win Twitter with that one!

They've actually been getting dragged on twitter by frothing loons for it. But let's not pretend that posting uncritical stuff is somehow a more practical, pragmatic engagement with the real situation.

 

[hitmouse]

He didn’t fare too well at the hands of the Israelis either.

First time I've ever reported a post on here, but this prick needs at the very least a thread ban for popping up with "j00z killed jesus" on a serious thread. Dwyer can fuck off as well.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Not unsurprising, but Iran is threatening to get involved, if attacks on Gaza are not stopped, Aljazeera just showed an interview with a high up Iranian diplomat saying, 'hands on the trigger'.

It's covered by this source -

The recent aggression against Palestinians by Israeli forces have left Iran worried. Tehran has now issued a stern warning to Israel saying other parties are ready to act if it does not stop the aggression.

According to the Fars news agency, Iran’s foreign minister Hossein Amirabdollahian has said that the hands of all other parties in the region are on the trigger if Zionist aggressions do not stop.

Iran's stern warning to Israel: 'Hands on trigger if aggressions against Palestinians don't stop'

The recent bombings on several Palestinian cities by Israeli forces have made Iran worried. Therefore, Tehran has come now with the stern warning to Israel saying that the regional escalation could be triggered.

www.news9live.com