Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion

[Gramsci]

Apologies for snipping out the rest of your post which I mostly agree with.
Are you convinced that having a powerful Israel complete with Nuclear weapons is not in the long term interests of USA? (You've indicated so quite a few times)
I believe it is factored in to the equation of power balance in the middle east and although very much a rogue state one that helps hold back Iran and keeps at least some remote USA influence in the Region on top of the other bunch of shits in Saudi Arabia that the west deals openly with

I just don't see it. But I don't have a hard line on this either.

Like you said its a behaving like a rogue state. Back in days of British Empire supporting Zionism in end brought the Empire a lot of trouble it could have avoided. The Balfour declaration and it being written into the mandate was a mistake by the Empire.

I was watching one interview ( I cannot remember who it was now) who said its better to see Israel state as a gun for hire. Rather then a tool of USA or the idea during British Empire of a loyal little Ulster in middle east. Israel state goes off and does what it wants whatever its allies think.

Its like this country. What does this country get with its close relationship to Israel? ( The 2030 roadmap etc). On a power politics level leaving out morality nothing I can see.

On the other hand yes I take your point about it being factored in. Previous posts here have covered the (pre Hamas attack) normalisation and rough plans for greater economic cooperation between Israel and US friendly states.

This is still being talked about in think tanks. With Atlantic Council raising issue of Saudia Arabia also making overtures to China and Iran. Not what the US wants. Still reading this and Israel state recent behaviour hasn't made this it easier for US to further foreign policy/ business interests in middle east.

To advance Saudi-Israeli relations, let the private sector lead

With the right policies in place, the US private sector can play a critical role in advancing US-Saudi-Israeli economic relations, creating a reality that will make normalization more achievable in the coming years.

www.atlanticcouncil.org

The United States faces structural and geopolitical barriers to advancing private-sector relations among itself, Israel, and Saudi Arabia. Riyadh’s overtures to China and Iran highlight its hedging strategy against a polarized US political system that has yielded unpredictable economic and foreign policy.

Yes USA has interests in the region. I'm not clear that Israel is helping it under its present government.

Achieving such a deal, whose general parameters have been promoted and developed under the Joe Biden administration, would accomplish at least three significant objectives: it would firmly orient Saudi Arabia toward the West—and, ideally for the United States, away from China—under a security umbrella that would support Saudi regional leadership; it would pave the way for a regional defense alliance that includes Israel and moderate Arab states to maintain stability in the face of a bellicose and radical Iran; and it would facilitate Israel’s economic integration in the region.