dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
Claims Hamas used weapons from Afghanistan or Ukraine. Are the latest conspiracy. Either brought on the black market or supplied by Russia to discredit Ukraine.
Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Of course. It would work like any other charitable collection.
Cid
Proper break this time
UN (specifically UNRWA, the aid and development agency for Palestine) reporting 9 of their staffers have been killed in Gaza (by air strikes) since saturday:
www.theguardian.com
Tweet embedded by guardian reads:
AP news link from same:
apnews.com
(e2a: though it just links to AP feed)
e2a:
Also their (graun) report on the massacre at Kfar aza kibbutz, though not sure it adds a great deal to what has been discussed already. Relentlessly grim.
Gaza hospitals in crisis, says WHO – as it happened
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Tweet embedded by guardian reads:
AP news link from same:
Current US assessment is Israel 'not responsible' for Gaza hospital blast, White House says
The statement did not mention fuel, and it was not clear when aid would start flowing.
apnews.com
e2a:
Also their (graun) report on the massacre at Kfar aza kibbutz, though not sure it adds a great deal to what has been discussed already. Relentlessly grim.
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Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
Genocidal fascist butcher revels in mass murder. Anybody who trots out unqualified phrases like 'Israel has a right to defend itself' is 100% complicit in supporting these terrorist war crimes
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
I ‘d guess quite a lot of these almost 170,000 people do.
Palestinian Americans - Wikipedia
dilute micro
esse quam videri
There's always a carrier on station there anyway, at sea, not docked in a port somewhere, for this reason. The only difference between a normal peace time cruise in the Mediterranean and one during conflict is the amount of bombs dropped and flights launched. It being announced in the news is meant to send a message to higher level players like Iran. Usually, movements like this don't make the news.
Yossarian
⏭️
The Mail later changed 'deployed' to 'put on standby,' possibly to reflect the fact even the anonymous sources it quoted as having spoken to a different outlet did not claim these forces were being sent to the area
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I'd be astonished if they don't have some handy sof in Europe plus there's always centcom too.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yeh like in summertime blues when Eddie Cochran's congressman replies to him saying 'I'd like to help you son but you're too young to vote'
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Reckon the Americans will be very interested in idf tunnel ops, too
likesfish
You can't park here sir
"Brave" IDF reservists like the poor sods have a choice 
Hamas has managed a once in the lifetime strike against Israel and are going to get annihilated much like all quaida did and just like the deathtoll in Afghanistan Gaza is going to pay a horrorific price the chances of getting any of the hostages back is slim. Israeli high Command may only ready have written them off . Hamas is an atrocity machine taking a leaf out the IS playbook the chances of any hostage swap is probably slim
I suppouse we should be grateful Benny hasn't decided to invade morrocco
Hamas has managed a once in the lifetime strike against Israel and are going to get annihilated much like all quaida did and just like the deathtoll in Afghanistan Gaza is going to pay a horrorific price the chances of getting any of the hostages back is slim. Israeli high Command may only ready have written them off . Hamas is an atrocity machine taking a leaf out the IS playbook the chances of any hostage swap is probably slim
I suppouse we should be grateful Benny hasn't decided to invade morrocco
Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
8ball
Maximum Facepalm
"Brave" IDF reservists like the poor sods have a choice
Hamas has managed a once in the lifetime strike against Israel and are going to get annihilated much like all quaida did and just like the deathtoll in Afghanistan Gaza is going to pay a horrorific price the chances of getting any of the hostages back is slim. Israeli high Command may only ready have written them off . Hamas is an atrocity machine taking a leaf out the IS playbook the chances of any hostage swap is probably slim
Hamas and the IDF have taken part in prisoner swaps in the past. Israel is typically very keen to get its people back, though in this situation, I agree things could be v different. Esp. with emotions running so high. Will take a good while for Hamas even to take full account of who they have, their condition, and especially their potential value as bargaining chips. Things may move too fast for that.
The behavior of most of the Western news media feels like the run up to the Iraq invasion. Most have turned themselves into a propaganda arm of the Netanyahu government, like they were propagandists for the Bush/Blair administrations. Poor little Israel and evil Hamas. Israel is portrayed as the innocent victim as usual.
I think people are coming to contradictory positions and this is to be expected on such a...visceral... subject. I think everyone should try to be patient with each other.
But I'm going to disagree with you. I think the situation in Gaza is so degraded and hopeless that nobody including Hamas are thinking about destroying Israel or any broad resolution to the conflict. The ultimate goal is ending the blockade, prisoner swaps, being allowed to fish, build a port, build an airport etc.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
I've just read Michael McDowell in today's Irish Times - and for those of you who don't know him, this guy was a Progressive Democrat minister for justice back in the late '90s/early noughties, when his small PD party was in coalition with Fianna Fail. In that position he was the hardest of hard right law and order men, something he holds to today. And even he seems seriously disturbed by what is implied in Netanyahu's promise of a retaliatory blow that will "echo down the generations".
"There is a risk that Netanyahu will unleash such terrible destruction by air and land on Gaza that tens of thousands of innocent humans will die" - this is Ireland's leading arch-conservative neoliberal saying this!
"There is a risk that Netanyahu will unleash such terrible destruction by air and land on Gaza that tens of thousands of innocent humans will die" - this is Ireland's leading arch-conservative neoliberal saying this!
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
None of that is going to happen any time soon. Or ever.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I'd expect ambitions in gaza now are to see out the day alive and longer term hopes have been put on hold
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
The last time the IDF was bombing Gaza, I saw people tweeting things like "to anyone reading this, if I ever wronged you, I'm sorry".
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
This is being pushed hard by the Kremlin.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
A well known source of honesty and truth
No doubt at that point he ( Netanyahu) will still have the full support of some now in the Labour front bench
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Today's paper say that Hamas have a lot of Kornet anti-tank missiles. If this wiki page is correct, they most likely got them via the looting of arsenals in post-Gaddafi Libya:
en.wikipedia.org
9M133 Kornet - Wikipedia
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
"the boneless wonders"
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Here's that McDowell piece, if anyone's interested.
www.irishtimes.com
Michael McDowell: Israel’s right to self defence must be proportionate, lawful and humane
Gaza, already a sump of hopelessness, deprivation and subjection, is about to become a living hell. That will have lasting historical reverberations
8ball
Maximum Facepalm
Here's that McDowell piece, if anyone's interested.
Michael McDowell: Israel’s right to self defence must be proportionate, lawful and humane
Gaza, already a sump of hopelessness, deprivation and subjection, is about to become a living hell. That will have lasting historical reverberations
The title (and penultimate sentence) rankles with me a bit, but the piece itself is very measured and sensible imo.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Indeed
More politicians striking the right balance (IMO).
AOC decries ‘bigotry and callousness’ of pro-Palestinian rally in New York
US congresswoman says ‘it should not be hard to shut down hatred and antisemitism where we see it’ and calls for urgent ceasefire
If you read that you would think Gaza wasn't getting bombed into the stone age or had its electricity and water cut off. It's a carte blanche condemnation of anyone protesting a life and death situation for hundreds of thousands of people.
[I don't doubt there were some displays of anti-semitism at these protest. There usually is.]
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Yeah, there's usually some anti-semitism here and there - it's no big deal, it won't damage the cause in any significant way. What's a little anti-semitism between friends?
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
This is the bit which is self-defeating, imv. For all her many faults AOC has spent the last five years quite loudly decrying Israel's behaviour and outright calling it apartheid. She's not someone with zero history other than criticising Hamas troops. But what she was saying about the rally is that it's not actually helping the aim of ending that apartheid if you parade around celebrating Hamas troops doing nasty shit. Which is not particularly contentious, it's obviously fucking stupid to celebrate acts of horror while trying to persuade normal people of your point of view.
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