I did several pages ago. You ignored it, of course.
Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Do it again. Let's sort this out.
I try to respond to genuine posts but can sometimes miss them when I'm taking-on half the posters on the thread!
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
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Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
Any hopes of moderation went out of the window when they decided to target kids and execute hostages. They're using tactics straight out of the ISIL playbook from the get-go, and have elected to play Atrocity Poker with one of the most murderous regimes on the planet. That wasn't "the get-go"...
www.urban75.net
That was after you had said that Israel’s flattening of Gaza was an “inevitable consequence” of Hamas’s actions.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I asked Spymaster how his posting should be interpreted as anything other than justification for the Israeli state's war crime against the civilian Palestinian population in Gaza and he did not take the opportunity to reply. I assumed he was genuinely too ashamed of what he'd written to reply.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
That's correct; I'll desist.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Don't think so, no. I have no problem giving my name and address really. I give it out pretty regularly to dodgier people than that charity.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
You've not given it to spy have you?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I haven't a clue sorry
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
Indeed. I've given to MAP before. They won't even waste your donation by sending out junk mail.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
No, but I know where he lives.You've not given it to spy have you?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Lords cricket ground, we all know thatNo, but I know where he lives.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
Any hopes of moderation went out of the window when they decided to target kids and execute hostages. They're using tactics straight out of the ISIL playbook from the get-go, and have elected to play Atrocity Poker with one of the most murderous regimes on the planet. That wasn't "the get-go"...
That was after you had said that Israel’s flattening of Gaza was an “inevitable consequence” of Hamas’s actions.
Yeah, you're right.
I'll rethink it.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
This will end well
ouirdeaux
Caring, Understanding, Non-judgemental Type
You've misspelt Shakespeare.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
More politicians striking the right balance (IMO).
www.theguardian.com
AOC decries ‘bigotry and callousness’ of pro-Palestinian rally in New York
US congresswoman says ‘it should not be hard to shut down hatred and antisemitism where we see it’ and calls for urgent ceasefire
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Might not fit the level to which this thread has descended to, or where posters have pushed it to, but here's an article in the Financial Times that examines the wider strategic issues :
'The lesson of the past four decades is also that every attempt to wipe out Palestinian armed groups has only produced more extreme iterations and worse conundrums.'
‘At its core, the current conflict is about the longest occupation in modern history, one that leaves the Palestinians dispossessed while Israel quests relentlessly for its security. But the bigger picture is one of regional shifts and global alliances reaching a critical juncture. The danger now is of more strategic blunders that will only perpetuate the violence for years to come.’
All involved in the Israel-Hamas conflict should heed the warnings of 1982
'The lesson of the past four decades is also that every attempt to wipe out Palestinian armed groups has only produced more extreme iterations and worse conundrums.'
‘At its core, the current conflict is about the longest occupation in modern history, one that leaves the Palestinians dispossessed while Israel quests relentlessly for its security. But the bigger picture is one of regional shifts and global alliances reaching a critical juncture. The danger now is of more strategic blunders that will only perpetuate the violence for years to come.’
All involved in the Israel-Hamas conflict should heed the warnings of 1982
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Oh I think we can rely on the zionists for a strategic blunder or two
So much for " no US boots on the ground"
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
The stars are coming right for 2025
Seal team 6 a great bunch of lads.
The Crimes of SEAL Team 6
Behind the heroic narratives of SEAL Team 6 is a darker, more troubling story of criminal brutality and war crimes.
theintercept.com
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
This was a very good statement fro, AOC.More politicians striking the right balance (IMO).
AOC decries ‘bigotry and callousness’ of pro-Palestinian rally in New York
US congresswoman says ‘it should not be hard to shut down hatred and antisemitism where we see it’ and calls for urgent ceasefire
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
I suspect it's not so much a case of American boots on the ground as American boots in an office somewhere passing messages between politicians. If any throats need cutting in the middle of the night, the IDF's own special forces are more than up to the job they don't need outside help. Hamas held Gilad Shalit for five years and Israel had to swap a 1000 Palestinian prisoners for him to get him back.
Unless Seal Team Six includes psychics they aren't going to do much better. If hostages are rescued rather than released in a swap it's going to be by the regular army going door to door and kicking them down one at a time. The Fail never been one to let reality get in the way of a stirring headline though.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Really, you assume that the Daily Mail is privy to such stuff, and its not the Mail just making up shit?
I would be surprised if US SF did any kinetic stuff - there's going to be a compromise between Israeli SF units being overstretched to deal with all the different tasks, and the absolute gangfuck of slotting US units into an Israeli structure that's at war, and is full of newly called-up reservists - and the precedent being set that has every other state and his dog asking the Israelis to allow their SF units to come and rescue their nationals. It's begging for chaos with your bowl out, and I rather doubt the Israeli's want to play.
There will be US dets going to Israel - some will be technical support to get the Israelis up to speed on some of the stuff the US is providing, and some will be SF bolstering the embassy security teams.
Perhaps Israel will ask for/reluctantly accept US SF for door kicking - possibly as a price of the depth of US support, but a) I doubt it, and b) if it does happen, it will be very small scale stuff.
dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
Has anyone told the mail what religion Israel is?
It's not very blackshirt of them is it?I suppose Nazis back whoever has the coolist tanks.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
Everything the US is doing is entirely in keeping with the administration's two main objectives:
- Parade Biden's decisiveness defending US citizens/US allies/a historic US identity touchstone in front of the US public
- Demonstrate in no uncertain terms to other Middle Eastern players that opportunism while Israel's in difficulties is not on the table
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
When you consider how strong the Dems are (rightly) on pointing out past injustices to black Americans, it's weird how the same can't be afforded to the Palestinians.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Palestinians don’t vote in US elections.
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