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Do it again. Let's sort this out.

That was after you had said that Israel’s flattening of Gaza was an “inevitable consequence” of Hamas’s actions.
 
I asked Spymaster how his posting should be interpreted as anything other than justification for the Israeli state's war crime against the civilian Palestinian population in Gaza and he did not take the opportunity to reply. I assumed he was genuinely too ashamed of what he'd written to reply.

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That was after you had said that Israel’s flattening of Gaza was an “inevitable consequence” of Hamas’s actions.

Yeah, you're right.

I'll rethink it.
 
Might not fit the level to which this thread has descended to, or where posters have pushed it to, but here's an article in the Financial Times that examines the wider strategic issues :


'The lesson of the past four decades is also that every attempt to wipe out Palestinian armed groups has only produced more extreme iterations and worse conundrums.'

‘At its core, the current conflict is about the longest occupation in modern history, one that leaves the Palestinians dispossessed while Israel quests relentlessly for its security. But the bigger picture is one of regional shifts and global alliances reaching a critical juncture. The danger now is of more strategic blunders that will only perpetuate the violence for years to come.’

All involved in the Israel-Hamas conflict should heed the warnings of 1982
 
Might not fit the level to which this thread has descended to, or where posters have pushed it to, but here's an article in the Financial Times that examines the wider strategic issues :


'The lesson of the past four decades is also that every attempt to wipe out Palestinian armed groups has only produced more extreme iterations and worse conundrums.'

‘At its core, the current conflict is about the longest occupation in modern history, one that leaves the Palestinians dispossessed while Israel quests relentlessly for its security. But the bigger picture is one of regional shifts and global alliances reaching a critical juncture. The danger now is of more strategic blunders that will only perpetuate the violence for years to come.’


Oh I think we can rely on the zionists for a strategic blunder or two
 
I suspect it's not so much a case of American boots on the ground as American boots in an office somewhere passing messages between politicians. If any throats need cutting in the middle of the night, the IDF's own special forces are more than up to the job they don't need outside help. Hamas held Gilad Shalit for five years and Israel had to swap a 1000 Palestinian prisoners for him to get him back.
Unless Seal Team Six includes psychics they aren't going to do much better. If hostages are rescued rather than released in a swap it's going to be by the regular army going door to door and kicking them down one at a time. The Fail never been one to let reality get in the way of a stirring headline though.
 
So much for " no US boots on the ground...
Really, you assume that the Daily Mail is privy to such stuff, and its not the Mail just making up shit?

I would be surprised if US SF did any kinetic stuff - there's going to be a compromise between Israeli SF units being overstretched to deal with all the different tasks, and the absolute gangfuck of slotting US units into an Israeli structure that's at war, and is full of newly called-up reservists - and the precedent being set that has every other state and his dog asking the Israelis to allow their SF units to come and rescue their nationals. It's begging for chaos with your bowl out, and I rather doubt the Israeli's want to play.

There will be US dets going to Israel - some will be technical support to get the Israelis up to speed on some of the stuff the US is providing, and some will be SF bolstering the embassy security teams.

Perhaps Israel will ask for/reluctantly accept US SF for door kicking - possibly as a price of the depth of US support, but a) I doubt it, and b) if it does happen, it will be very small scale stuff.
 
Everything the US is doing is entirely in keeping with the administration's two main objectives:
  • Parade Biden's decisiveness defending US citizens/US allies/a historic US identity touchstone in front of the US public
  • Demonstrate in no uncertain terms to other Middle Eastern players that opportunism while Israel's in difficulties is not on the table
Both of which can be achieved with a bit of spectacle by name dropping "we're sending a carrier and special forces", regardless of whether it makes much logistical sense.
 
Everything the US is doing is entirely in keeping with the administration's two main objectives:
  • Parade Biden's decisiveness defending US citizens/US allies/a historic US identity touchstone in front of the US public
  • Demonstrate in no uncertain terms to other Middle Eastern players that opportunism while Israel's in difficulties is not on the table
Both of which can be achieved with a bit of spectacle by name dropping "we're sending a carrier and special forces", regardless of whether it makes much logistical sense.

When you consider how strong the Dems are (rightly) on pointing out past injustices to black Americans, it's weird how the same can't be afforded to the Palestinians.
 
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