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Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
So now support for Ukraine is a basis for derision, but tacit advocacy of unrestrained action against kids and babies is fine, so long as it's Hamas doing it.
How the fuck did you get here?
tim
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
If today's media interviews with Tory & Labour politicians are anything to go by, your willingness to justify war crimes against the Palestinians in Gaza does, indeed place you in right-wing company.
Don't know if we've had this yet, but there's been some exchange of shelling between Israel and Syria. Does anyone have any idea what the potential is of this expanding to be a wider conflict?
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
I'm not sure if this NYT article has been posted before, but it's worth reading.
It's about the complacency, gullibility, optimism bias, assumption of reliance on technology, acceptence of single points of failure, comfort and convenience over operational effectiveness, reliance on civilian phone signal for military communication, and 50 other failures that meant that for between 12 and 24 hours, the Israeli military didn't exist as a cohesive force with the ability to react to anything even on its own doorstep.
t.co
Bergman and Kingsley are well connected, and very knowledgeable about this stuff. Their writing can be relied on.
It's about the complacency, gullibility, optimism bias, assumption of reliance on technology, acceptence of single points of failure, comfort and convenience over operational effectiveness, reliance on civilian phone signal for military communication, and 50 other failures that meant that for between 12 and 24 hours, the Israeli military didn't exist as a cohesive force with the ability to react to anything even on its own doorstep.
How Israel’s Feared Security Services Failed to Stop Hamas’s Attack
Israel’s military and espionage services are considered among the world’s best, but on Saturday, operational and intelligence failures led to the worst breach of Israeli defenses in half a century.
Bergman and Kingsley are well connected, and very knowledgeable about this stuff. Their writing can be relied on.
savoloysam
Ready to move into the light
I have only one thing to say.
My step mum was a evil cow but she was right when she always used to say two wrongs don't make a right.
Peace out brothers and sisters
My step mum was a evil cow but she was right when she always used to say two wrongs don't make a right.
Peace out brothers and sisters
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I don't think it is so surprising that people are ending up with contradictory positions. The armed resistance has been hijacked by Islamists, and 'Destroy Israel' is never going to produce anything other than further misery. It is hard not to feel despair. But I do think it is important to recognise that Hamas are not the answer to any sensible question. Somehow 'neither Zionist nor Islamist' needs to be the right position for people on all sides to talk to one another. But we are currently moving away from that.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I'm not sure if this NYT article has been posted before, but it's worth reading.
It's about the complacency, gullibility, optimism bias, assumption of reliance on technology, acceptence of single points of failure, comfort and convenience over operational effectiveness, reliance on civilian phone signal for military communication, and 50 other failures that meant that for between 12 and 24 hours, the Israeli military didn't exist as a cohesive force with the ability to react to anything even on its own doorstep.
How Israel’s Feared Security Services Failed to Stop Hamas’s Attack
Israel’s military and espionage services are considered among the world’s best, but on Saturday, operational and intelligence failures led to the worst breach of Israeli defenses in half a century.
Bergman and Kingsley are well connected, and very knowledgeable about this stuff. Their writing can be relied on.
I was having a look at TNYT reporting earlier. Some of the pictures and videos are not for the faint hearted.
Seems the US press have a different code to here with regards to imagery.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
That would immediately place Tory and Labour politicians firmly backing Spymaster 's war fighting against the 'psychotic left', TopCat and some others on here. This could become an election issue.
keybored
Well done. You remember cat good.
Elijah Wood didn't "state" anything there really, he just lazily reposted the exact same wall of text that a bunch of other slebs did.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Not sure if that's meant to be a 'light-hearted' post, or not. But anyways...Starmer's inability to call out the Israeli state's denial of basic human needs to an entire civilian population as a war crime is shameful. Not as shameful as Spymaster's justification, but shameful, just the same.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
What do you expect from Starmer though? Anyone showing an ounce of sympathy for the Palestinian people is likely to be labelled an anti-Semite and pushed from the Labour party. He is a moral coward.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I must have missed this. Where did Spymaster justify this war crime?
It all depends if you use Spymaster’s definition of “justification”. If you apply the same standard of “justify” that he is using to lambast others, it is fair to say that he justified the war crime. (On the other hand, if you use my definition, very few people on this thread have justified anything, including almost all of those that Spymaster has fingered as doing so).
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
This morning there will be terrified children hiding in basements in Gaza trying not to drink their small amount of water. And desperate parents in Tel Aviv desperate trying to find out what’s happened to their children.
All united in delight that what’s happening to them is allowing a small number of superannuated posters, actually , let me change that to men, on a message board to signal their virtue, strut and preen to each other and generally act like cocks.
And I don’t mean the usual alcohol fuelled bitter old men who do it all the time on here. I mean, normally perceptive and reflective people; and so no ambiguity I mean people who have set themselves up on all sides of this debate.
Sometimes I love this place. Sometimes it makes me feel grubby and ashamed.
All united in delight that what’s happening to them is allowing a small number of superannuated posters, actually , let me change that to men, on a message board to signal their virtue, strut and preen to each other and generally act like cocks.
And I don’t mean the usual alcohol fuelled bitter old men who do it all the time on here. I mean, normally perceptive and reflective people; and so no ambiguity I mean people who have set themselves up on all sides of this debate.
Sometimes I love this place. Sometimes it makes me feel grubby and ashamed.
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Can I just reassure you that it was a 'light hearted' post
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
He's talking bollocks. He quoted it a bit further up the thread but neglected to quote my subsequent explanation and very clear denunciation of Israel's actions.
It's Broggers and he's got hold of a corner of the carpet. Let him have a tug at it!
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Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
He pretty consistently reflects right-wing talking points, so I'm not sure why he'd think of himself as particularly left other than presumably having friendship circles which are further right. I've rarely seen him agreeing with what the left on this board has to say (while frequently and tediously wanking on about how mad people are, which is the main reason I muted him - he's not interesting enough to put up with the bullshit).
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
The shifting between your definition and mine is rather the point, prof.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Holding views to the right of the majority of posters on these boards is not necessarily "right-wing" in the real world!
So you agree then — by your definition, you have indeed justified Israel’s response in Gaza.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Of course not.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Here's a reminder about donations ( thanks Johnny Vodka for the link) . Pity we couldn't make a board wide contribution really
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Delivering medical care to Palestinians living under occupation and as refugees in the Palestinian Territories and in Lebanon.
Help us get urgent medical supplies into the hands of Palestinians in need.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Might get round Spymaster's objection to providing his addressHere's a reminder about donations ( thanks Johnny Vodka for the link) . Pity we couldn't make a board wide contribution really
Delivering medical care to Palestinians living under occupation and as refugees in the Palestinian Territories and in Lebanon.
Help us get urgent medical supplies into the hands of Palestinians in need.
So is it justification or not, to understand why a particular course of action tends to produce a particular response? Because you seem very confused on this matter.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Can you quote a couple of my posts that have led you to this?
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