Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion

[Larry O'Hara]

He is of course standing trial in absentia:

Australian-Israeli Former Diplomat Mark Regev Under Trial for Genocide Advocacy

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I’d like to see him on trial here for undermining the Corbyn Labour leadership

 

[mojo pixy]

Israel's Equality Minister calls for another Nakba in Gaza

What can one say?

And she isn't part of the far right in Israel. She is in Likud.

She sounds a lot like kemi badenoch or suella braverman tbh

I'd say Likud have shifted to the right since Ariel Sharon left to form Kadima. Plus we can't understate the effect of Netanyahu running the party and the government primarily to keep himself out of jail. He'll do anything including war, and ally with anyone including racist settlers, in order to avoid being dragged into court (as we're currently seeing).

 

[Pickman's model]

He is of course standing trial in absentia:

Australian-Israeli Former Diplomat Mark Regev Under Trial for Genocide Advocacy

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A rare outing for captain ridley

 

[ID47]

Brighton and Hove Albion employs an israeli racist scumbag as U18s 'mentor'. Here's a petition regarding the filth: SAA letter to BHAFC re Tomer Hemed

 

[nino_savatte]

Oh sorry, there was me thinking there were two sides in this. My mistake!

O rly? You know exactly what I meant. Bothsidesing is a trick that's used to avoid facing up to harsh realities. And please, I am neither "Hamas" or a "terrorist sympathiser".

 

[nino_savatte]

50,000 people in Gaza have been murdered by the Israelis since the October 7 attack. Hamas has proved incapable of resisting the Israeli onslaught. The attack wasa futile gesture. As to "No Pasaran!" They passed and there was nothing that could stop them.

Again, you seem to have a problem with the idea of resistance, so much so that you quoted me twice. Indeed, the subtext of your reply is never resist.

 

[ID47]

She sounds a lot like kemi badenoch or suella braverman tbh

I'd say Likud have shifted to the right since Ariel Sharon left to form Kadima. Plus we can't understate the effect of Netanyahu running the party and the government primarily to keep himself out of jail. He'll do anything including war, and ally with anyone including racist settlers, in order to avoid being dragged into court (as we're currently seeing).

Not even known right wing racists like Badenoch and Breverman actually called for another Nakba.

Different level altogether, genocidal.

 

[ID47]

Deleted, double post.

 

[mojo pixy]

Not even known right wing racists like Badenoch and Breverman actually called for another Nakba.

Different level altogether, genocidal.

They would love to have an excuse to, though.

 

[mojo pixy]

O rly? You know exactly what I meant. Bothsidesing is a trick that's used to avoid facing up to harsh realities. And please, I am neither "Hamas" or a "terrorist sympathiser".

I never said you were, did I? And yet you do seem to be suggesting that one side in this conflict is not to blame. Obviously one side is more powerful, and I'd agree that side should be more willing to compromise. But there are harsh realities on both sides. You might not like it, but acting as if that's not true just looks ridiculous.

 

[teqniq]

'Channel 4 News
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Israel's offensive on Northern Gaza has intensified with its assault on the Jabalia refugee camp.

Thousands of residents have been forced to flee.

Channel 4 News has been hearing their stories.'

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[Gramsci]

She sounds a lot like kemi badenoch or suella braverman tbh

I'd say Likud have shifted to the right since Ariel Sharon left to form Kadima. Plus we can't understate the effect of Netanyahu running the party and the government primarily to keep himself out of jail. He'll do anything including war, and ally with anyone including racist settlers, in order to avoid being dragged into court (as we're currently seeing).

Yes. She's quite young and comes across like those two

Started her political career campaigning against undocumented African migrants in Israel. Accused of making racist remarks.

Not from a well off background.

I think your correct to say she's like Tory right here.

There are similarities between Israeli politics and right in UK/ Europe. Anti immigrant and nationalistic. She's also a Trump supporter

Interesting that there are similarities between western countries and Israel with right politics

Within Israel this is mixed with complete hostility to Palestinians. I was surprised at her starting career campaigning about African migrants. I didn't know that was an issue in Israel. What she says on it is same as right here

 

[HeAthen]

Yes. She's quite young and comes across like those two

Started her political career campaigning against undocumented African migrants in Israel. Accused of making racist remarks.

Not from a well off background.

I think your correct to say she's like Tory right here.

There are similarities between Israeli politics and right in UK/ Europe. Anti immigrant and nationalistic. She's also a Trump supporter

Interesting that there are similarities between western countries and Israel with right politics

Within Israel this is mixed with complete hostility to Palestinians. I was surprised at her starting career campaigning about African migrants. I didn't know that was an issue in Israel. What she says on it is same as right here

There were reports in the news of African Jewish migrants to Israel being treated like utter shit maybe 10-15yrs ago so not a surprise really.

EDIT The plight of Ethiopian Jews in Israel

Ethiopian women in Israel 'given contraceptive without consent'

Israel's health ministry is investigating claims that Ethiopian immigrants have unwittingly had Depo-Provera jabs for years

www.theguardian.com

 

[Gramsci]

I never said you were, did I? And yet you do seem to be suggesting that one side in this conflict is not to blame. Obviously one side is more powerful, and I'd agree that side should be more willing to compromise. But there are harsh realities on both sides. You might not like it, but acting as if that's not true just looks ridiculous.

From my reading Arafat accepted a deal and Israel decided to go on building settlements on West Bank knowing full well the international community in West would not do anything to stop it.

The Palestinian side accepting a deal has in actual practice made things worse for Palestinians.

The Palestinian side compromised and ending up not getting a state.

Israel can only do this because of support of USA. This country as well. Which follows US lead on this.

 

[Gramsci]

There have been ICJ rulings on the separation wall and the legality of the occupation.

Both of which Israel lost.

Both rulings its ignoring.

Harsh reality. Its Israel that is ignoring international legal system.

The harsh reality is that there is no will in the international community with the clout ( the west) to make these judgements be followed.

 

[Gramsci]

If we are to have a discussion about which side to blame then do it after Israel has removed the separation wall and removed all settlers from West Bank in accordance with international rulings.

 

[mojo pixy]

If we are to have a discussion about which side to blame then do it after Israel has removed the separation wall and removed all settlers from West Bank in accordance with international rulings.

Personally I think that's a fruitless discussion anyway as there's no decisive moment or event that everyone will ever, ever, ever agree was The Start of The War.

There have been ICJ rulings on the separation wall and the legality of the occupation.

Both of which Israel lost.

Both rulings its ignoring.

Harsh reality. Its Israel that is ignoring international legal system.

The harsh reality is that there is no will in the international community with the clout ( the west) to make these judgements be followed.

This is true. As I said, for me it's beholden on the stronger party to step back and start a peace process. But that doesn't mean that the whole process or the entire peace is the responsibility of only one party.

And I agree the rest of the world should be bolder. Apart from BDS though it's hard to see what specifically that boldness should look like.

 

[Gramsci]

"Our Job Is to Flatten Gaza. No One Will Stop Us."

Inside one Israeli battalion's yearlong mission of destruction

www.dropsitenews.com

As far as I can see this is genuine website.

Looked at some of it. The journalists have collated the social media of one army group in IDF.

Ita highly detailed as the IDF soldiers involved made numerous social media posts.

I've looked at some of it and what comes across is that they were well into what they were doing. Which is the flattening of Gaza.

Also what comes across is that this isn't just about Netanyahu and a right wing fringe.

These are ordinary Israelis showing they are well up for it.

 

[Gramsci]

Personally I think that's a fruitless discussion anyway as there's no decisive moment or event that everyone will ever, ever, ever agree was The Start of The War.


This is true. As I said, for me it's beholden on the stronger party to step back and start a peace process. But that doesn't mean that the whole process or the entire peace is the responsibility of only one party.

And I agree the rest of the world should be bolder. Apart from BDS though it's hard to see what specifically that boldness should look like.

Don't agree with this.

The history of the whole so called peace process isn't a fruitless discussion.

BDS would be a start.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

"Our Job Is to Flatten Gaza. No One Will Stop Us."

Inside one Israeli battalion's yearlong mission of destruction

www.dropsitenews.com

As far as I can see this is genuine website.

Looked at some of it. The journalists have collated the social media of one army group in IDF.

Ita highly detailed as the IDF soldiers involved made numerous social media posts.

I've looked at some of it and what comes across is that they were well into what they were doing. Which is the flattening of Gaza.

Also what comes across is that this isn't just about Netanyahu and a right wing fringe.

These are ordinary Israelis showing they are well up for it.

Yes its a spinoff from the Intercept. Excellent website

 

[mojo pixy]

The history of the whole so called peace process isn't a fruitless discussion.

I'd be extremely surprised if any peace has ever been achieved by arguing about who started the fight. The point is, how does it end, and what happens next.

I'm not saying that's going well atm.

 

[ID47]

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Israel's Suicide War​

Israel is successfully waging its war of self-destruction. In the words of General Udi Dekel, “it is clear that the Israeli leadership sees only perpetual war on the horizon,” which “only benefits Israel’s enemies and aligns itself with Iranian strategy.”

La guerra suicida di Israele

www.repubblica.it

 

[PTK]

Oh sorry, there was me thinking there were two sides in this. My mistake!

When I was a child, the country that is now called Zimbabwe was known as Rhodesia. It was a British settler state, and the White minority of European descent ruled over the Black African majority. Political parties that wished to end this state of affairs had military wings that engaged in violence in an attempt to overthrow the racist regime.
Were both sides to blame for this war?

 

[little_legs]

'A girl in Gaza who can’t be older than 7 or 8 walks barefoot through the streets carrying her injured sister on her shoulders. There are tens of thousands of missing and orphaned children in Gaza. Post-apocalyptic.'

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Al Jazeera tracked down the girl who was carrying her sister, and neither of them are seriously injured. They are of course still living in horrific conditions in a concentration camp where Israel is trying to starve them.

 

[mojo pixy]

When I was a child, the country that is now called Zimbabwe was known as Rhodesia. It was a British settler state, and the White minority of European descent ruled over the Black African majority. Political parties that wished to end this state of affairs had military wings that engaged in violence in an attempt to overthrow the racist regime.
Were both sides to blame for this war?

Yes. Anyone who picks up a gun or plants a bomb, is to blame in their own way, for the war they're helping to start or continue. Are all wars unjust? Are all sides equally justified in every war? Well that's a different question.

Both sides in zimbabwe also managed to end that war too. We can leave it there and not go into what mugabe did later on...

I certainly appreciate the comparison though, I got told off last time I compared Israel to Australia

 

[kabbes]

I'd be extremely surprised if any peace has ever been achieved by arguing about who started the fight. The point is, how does it end, and what happens next.

Ok, forget “who started it”. Where we are now is that one group of people is engaged in the systematic slaughter of another. Also, they’re trying to wipe out all trace of that group — the mechanised, industrial destruction of all housing, social infrastructure, and cultural and religious artefacts and buildings.

The other group are now engaged in a process of being shunted from refugee camp to refugee camp and praying that the latest bomb to land on the refugee camp doesn’t hit them.

There’s your now version of “both sides”. What do you suggest for “how it ends and what comes next” based on that?

Or shall we go back to “how it started”?

 

[Pickman's model]

Yes. Anyone who picks up a gun or plants a bomb, is to blame in their own way, for the war they're helping to start or continue. Are all wars unjust? Are all sides equally justified in every war? Well that's a different question.

Both sides in zimbabwe also managed to end that war too. We can leave it there and not go into what mugabe did later on...

I certainly appreciate the comparison though, I got told off last time I compared Israel to Australia

There were 3 sides in rhodesia/zimbabwe.

 

[maomao]

I certainly appreciate the comparison though, I got told off last time I compared Israel to Australia

You didn't compare them. You compared the level of interest between a genocide that is mainly over and one where children are being actively killed on a daily basis and implied that the difference was down to anti-semitism. We've yet to hear your comparison of the genocides themselves.

 

[mojo pixy]

Well look at that.

Every time, any excuse.

If dissenting voices were not wanted, it's hard to think of a better way to be rid of them.

Ok, forget “who started it”. Where we are now is that one group of people is engaged in the systematic slaughter of another. Also, they’re trying to wipe out all trace of that group — the mechanised, industrial destruction of all housing, social infrastructure, and cultural and religious artefacts and buildings.

The other group are now engaged in a process of being shunted from refugee camp to refugee camp and praying that the latest bomb to land on the refugee camp doesn’t hit them.

There’s your now version of “both sides”. What do you suggest for “how it ends and what comes next” based on that?

Or shall we go back to “how it started”?

I'm not sure what your point is, are we still comparing to zimbabwe, or nazis, or what?

You've made your views pretty clear so far, I think it'd be a mistake for me to pander to that by engaging at all tbh.

There were 3 sides in rhodesia/zimbabwe.

My side, your side and the truth.

You didn't compare them. You compared the level of interest between a genocide that is mainly over and one where children are being actively killed on a daily basis and implied that the difference was down to anti-semitism. We've yet to hear your comparison of the genocides themselves.

I don't expect it'd look good for Australia.

 

[Idris2002]

There were 3 sides in rhodesia/zimbabwe.

You mean Rhodies, ZAPU/ZIPRA, ZANU/ZANLA?