Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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mojo pixy
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He's been defending the use of a well-known antisemitic trope. He's gone on doing it even when that's been pointed out. He's not a stupid man. All together, this is a combination I'm less interested in wrestling with, than I am in my own mental health.
Plenty of other anti-racists here, they can do it
Plenty of other anti-racists here, they can do it
Gramsci
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Bowen: Gaza nurse who filmed moments after Israeli strike describes chaos and grief
In the video, a paramedic runs panic-stricken between dead and dying civilians in the immediate aftermath of the strike.
www.bbc.co.uk
Jeremy Bowen looks at one incident in North Gaza. No video in the article. But it's a gruelling read.
Attack on school where refugees were living.
A paramedic took phone footage of aftermath. Bowen tracked her down and she went through the footage
International reporter's like him , as he explains, haven't been allowed into Gaza. So all reporting is second hand.
Given that as he says:
You repeatedly defend the indefensible and lash out with accusations of antisemitism when israel's criminal actions are contested.He's been defending the use of a well-known antisemitic trope. He's gone on doing it even when that's been pointed out. He's not a stupid man. All together, this is a combination I'm less interested in wrestling with, than I am in my own mental health.
Plenty of other anti-racists here, they can do it
Perhaps you could be more interested in the deaths of tens of thousands of complete innocents rayher than 'wrestling or your own mental health'.
I have Jewish blood relatives so don't you fucking dare try the antisemitism accusation ever again, you dissembling manipulative tosser.
teqniq
DisMembered
Well I never. Who would have guessed?
@SkyNews
The Director of the Committee to Protect Journalists says the IDF documents claiming to prove the journalists are terrorists "don't appear to be credible"
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@SkyNews
The Director of the Committee to Protect Journalists says the IDF documents claiming to prove the journalists are terrorists "don't appear to be credible"
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Help me out here. I'm not seeing the 'well-known antisemitic trope'?He's been defending the use of a well-known antisemitic trope. He's gone on doing it even when that's been pointed out. He's not a stupid man. All together, this is a combination I'm less interested in wrestling with, than I am in my own mental health.
Plenty of other anti-racists here, they can do it
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
PTK
Paul Kegan
I imagined that your third party was the UK, which was the colonial power against which the government of Rhodesia had rebelled. Those of a certain age will remember well the term “UDI” (Unilateral Declaration of Independence).well nkomo, mugabe and smith.
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The military wings of ZANU and ZAPU were on the same side. They jointly negotiated the Lancaster House Agreement with the Smith regime.
Are the PFLP, Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and other Palestinian militant groups on different sides?
Those who claim that events leading to the formation of the State of Israel were an act of national liberation may wish to ponder the following question: Was the rebellion against the UK by the White minority government in Rhodesia an act of "national liberation"?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
HeAthen
Nadgers.
We're beginning to see more and more journalists like Bowen actively calling Israel out for what it's doing which can only be a good thing.Bowen: Gaza nurse who filmed moments after Israeli strike describes chaos and grief
In the video, a paramedic runs panic-stricken between dead and dying civilians in the immediate aftermath of the strike.www.bbc.co.uk
Jeremy Bowen looks at one incident in North Gaza. No video in the article. But it's a gruelling read.
Attack on school where refugees were living.
A paramedic took phone footage of aftermath. Bowen tracked her down and she went through the footage
International reporter's like him , as he explains, haven't been allowed into Gaza. So all reporting is second hand.
Given that as he says:
PTK
Paul Kegan
Can you quote an example of when ZiPRA and ZANLA fought each other prior to independance?
I was a child in the 1960s and 1970s, and the term "UDI" was a familiar term on the television news.
I’ve not made any of my personal views clear at all, other than the fact that I find the genocide horrific and unsupportable. Don’t confuse my analysis of how other people present their understanding of the situation with my own personal understanding of that situation.
I think you’re very confused between “defending the use of” and “analysing how and why some people are using it”. You’re also begging the question of it being antisemitic. In the true, technical sense of “begging the question”. You’ve started from the assumption that the use of it is necessarily antisemitic — regardless of context, individual knowledge or anything else — and used that assumption to draw the conclusion that the people using it are therefore antisemitic.
Then maybe you should consider that I’m not just saying stupid things. Maybe I’m not saying the things that you are assuming I am, for example?
HeAthen
Nadgers.
More murdered journalists.
Lebanon: Three journalists killed in Israeli air strike
Israel is accused of targeting a compound housing journalists in southern Lebanon.
www.bbc.co.uk
Considering there are at least 10,000 or perhaps many more bodies still under the rubble this is just another way of concealing their disgusting war crimes. Rubble into the sea to create reclaimed land and yet more space for those poor fascist settlers.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Four, at least.
Finally a hard hitting article from the BBC or rather Jeremy Bowen. Bowen, IIRC from his Jesus TV programmes, is probably quite a 'committed Christian' and may have had enough with having to stay silent regarding the crimes against humanity. Time to speak up and denounce the war criminals.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
more than 2 in any event
HeAthen
Nadgers.
I suspect it's also the targetting of journalists that is making them have a rethink on the way they report things. If it can happen to the ones I mentioned earlier then it could happen to Bowen and others just as easily.
Israel can''t control the media in Lebanon in the same way they can in Gaza so they have to resort to killing them.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
they are quite happy killing journalists in gaza too
HeAthen
Nadgers.
Yes, but that's not in the full gaze of the western media so they can get away with it more easily. In Lebanon the western journalists are often just a few hundred meters away so it's a more immediate thing for them.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
pour encourager les autres as voltaire would say
teqniq
DisMembered
To date the IDF have killed 128 journalists in Gaza which is pretty much how they have attempted to go about controlling the media. in Gaza. In Lebanon it looks to be business as usual, but of course foreign journalists are at a great deal more risk as Israel cannot prohibit entry:
Lebanon: Three journalists killed in Israeli air strike
Israel is accused of targeting a compound housing journalists in southern Lebanon.
www.bbc.co.uk
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agricola
a genuine importer of owls
It has already happened to Bowen, FWIW.
His local fixer was killed around 2000 by an Israeli tank firing at the car he, Bowen and his cameraman were traveling around South Lebanon in. Fortunately for Bowen and the cameraman they were a bit away filming a piece, but they couldn’t rescue the fixer (who was in the car on the phone) because the tank was firing machine guns at it.
HeAthen
Nadgers.
Probably explains why he is generally more forthright in calling stuff out.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Indeed. There is more info about that incident here, if anyone is interested:
Israel: Killing of BBC driver in south Lebanon either deliberate or reckless, finds CPJ - Committee to Protect Journalists
Your Excellency: The Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) is writing to express its deep concern about the recent death of Abed Takkoush, a driver for the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC). Takkoush was killed by Israeli shellfire in southern Lebanon on May 23 during Israel's withdrawal...
cpj.org
HeAthen
Nadgers.
I vaguely remember hearing about it at the time now I think about it.Indeed. There is more info about that incident here, if anyone is interested:
Israel: Killing of BBC driver in south Lebanon either deliberate or reckless, finds CPJ - Committee to Protect Journalists
Your Excellency: The Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) is writing to express its deep concern about the recent death of Abed Takkoush, a driver for the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC). Takkoush was killed by Israeli shellfire in southern Lebanon on May 23 during Israel's withdrawal...cpj.org
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