Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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Gramsci
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He's also been attacked in the past by group like Campaign Against Anti semitism.
Who asked for his resignation.
I have his book on the middle east. Not read it yet.
On the BBC news website I always look out for articles by him. His fair and reliable reporting means he gets accused of being anti Semitic.
It's a way to try to discredit someone and make them shut up saying anything at all critical of Israel. Par for the course if one takes any interest in middle east/ Israel.
He is and has been one of the most knowledgeable reporters in this country on middle east.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
He works for UN as advisor. So not a decision maker.
As flawed as UN is the people appointed to posts such as this do a good job.
The other person whose good is the special rapporteur on Palestinian rights Francesca Albanese. Whose had an awful lot of stick for sticking up for Palestinians.
I do feel for these people. They try to do there job fairly and get attacked for it.
Turk is overall head advisor on human rights. Above is is the full statement by him.
International rule of law works differently to individual state law.
It's up to individual states to uphold it. If enough states do then it works
If they don't Israel gets away with it.
It's why I have a problem with my government. Individual states should be looking at ICJ rulings and advisory decisions and seeing what they individually can do to support them. I don't see that from Starmer. Only things that have been done are the bare minimum.
As realistically USA is main supporter of Israel with countries like ours following US that's a problem.
Far from Israel being treated differently to other countries in practice with US and western support it gets away with a lot with no push back. It's not that Israel is unfairly picked on for reasons of anti semitism. It's that Israel in practice has had support of powerful countries like USA. So it can with impunity occupy land and now enact plausible case of genocide.
Gramsci
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He's been defending the use of a well-known antisemitic trope. He's gone on doing it even when that's been pointed out. He's not a stupid man. All together, this is a combination I'm less interested in wrestling with, than I am in my own mental health.
Plenty of other anti-racists here, they can do it
kabbes has put a lot of well thought contributions to this thread. Not just knee jerk reactions.
Doesn't mean one has to agree with everything they post.
I think trying to smear Kabbes with anti semitism is a bit off
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Everything Kabbes says in that post about where we are at now is true. The Israelis are intent on wiping out the Palestinians both physically and psychologically. It is a systematic, organised, deliberate genocide.He's been defending the use of a well-known antisemitic trope. He's gone on doing it even when that's been pointed out. He's not a stupid man. All together, this is a combination I'm less interested in wrestling with, than I am in my own mental health.
Plenty of other anti-racists here, they can do it
So I have a genuine question for you here. What is the line that Israel would have to cross for comparisons of its actions to those of other systematic genociders not to be antisemitic? Is there one?
I think your 'antisemitic trope' detector needs an update because the position you appear to be pushing regarding various comparisons, and even the relative silence that you perceive about other bad things, is exactly the line that Israeli apologists push: the Israeli government's line is that it is offensive and antisemitic to accuse Israel of genocide. And that line's underlying assumptions, which provide for an Israeli exceptionalism, look remarkably similar to racism to me.
One of the problems with your lines of thought as posted here is that they have absolutely nothing to say to or for the Palestinians who are being subjected to a genocide right now.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
You seem to be ignoring the fact that this didn't start on 7 October and has been going on since 1948. Tell me, if this country found itself being occupied by an aggressive foreign power (one could argue that it's already being occupied by the USA), would you resist or collaborate? There was resistance against the US occupation of South Vietnam and yes, there were atrocities committed by the Vietcong and the US and its allies. Indeed, some of the worst atrocities were carried out by the US and South Korea. Would you have "bothsidesed" that and ignored the reasons why the Vietnamese resisted? The Vietnamese had a right to resist and this doesn't, in any way, diminish the methods used.
little_legs
Поехали!
The objection would fair if kabbes were actually espousing antisemitic ideas (e.g. implying that "Jews control the media"), except kabbes did nothing of the kind. Instead, kabbes explained in simple and lucid terms why some people invoke Nazism when they watch the genocide taking place live on their phones/tvs for over a year, and that their response to what they are observing has a clear point of reference in their minds, which is Nazism.
The most pathetic thing I've seen on this thread, is when some posters say that comparing Israel's actions with Nazism is antisemitic, racist, unhelpful, not constructive, indicative of the depravity of the person who makes that comparison.
To that I say, you can fuck off. If getting irked by the repeated invoking of Nazism to quash legitimate outrage while thousands of bodies are smouldering is your thing, I don't give a fuck. It's not my job to watch my language and police my tone to make anyone feel less traumatised when I see pulverised kids in rice bags, a father running around in shock with body parts of his children,, mass deportation, starvation, and round the clock bombing.
The IDF are Nazis. If that makes anyone feel uncomfortable, that's on them. Every single Palestinian and Israeli death falls squarely on the shoulders of Israel. If you can't grasp that, that's on you.
The most pathetic thing I've seen on this thread, is when some posters say that comparing Israel's actions with Nazism is antisemitic, racist, unhelpful, not constructive, indicative of the depravity of the person who makes that comparison.
To that I say, you can fuck off. If getting irked by the repeated invoking of Nazism to quash legitimate outrage while thousands of bodies are smouldering is your thing, I don't give a fuck. It's not my job to watch my language and police my tone to make anyone feel less traumatised when I see pulverised kids in rice bags, a father running around in shock with body parts of his children,, mass deportation, starvation, and round the clock bombing.
The IDF are Nazis. If that makes anyone feel uncomfortable, that's on them. Every single Palestinian and Israeli death falls squarely on the shoulders of Israel. If you can't grasp that, that's on you.
teqniq
DisMembered
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Incredibly chilling & grim footage from Gaza, inc last we’ve seen of Hussam Abu Safiya, director of Kamal Adwan hospital, holding his hands up. & images of men taken from the hospital, stripped to their underwear. Bombed, humiliated, kidnapped by Israel.
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@josephwillits
Absolutely heartbreaking scenes, Dr Hussam Abu Safiya, director of Kamal Adwan hospital in Gaza leads funeral prayers in his doctor’s coat for son Ibrahim. Murdered by Israel due to refusal to vacate hospital to allow Israel’s extermination of Palestinians
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@josephwillits
Incredibly chilling & grim footage from Gaza, inc last we’ve seen of Hussam Abu Safiya, director of Kamal Adwan hospital, holding his hands up. & images of men taken from the hospital, stripped to their underwear. Bombed, humiliated, kidnapped by Israel.
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@josephwillits
Absolutely heartbreaking scenes, Dr Hussam Abu Safiya, director of Kamal Adwan hospital in Gaza leads funeral prayers in his doctor’s coat for son Ibrahim. Murdered by Israel due to refusal to vacate hospital to allow Israel’s extermination of Palestinians
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Gramsci
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I watched an Al Jazeera documentary last night on Israel. Need to watch it again as a lot in it
religiondispatches.org
This guy was speaking a lot on it. An American Rabbi also has Israeli citizenship.
He's written a lot. Here is what I thought was a good article about anti semitism and the protest movement in US and West.
He takes issue idea of Left Anti semitism.
religiondispatches.org
On Israel being picked on. He says good question. Lists other issues that Left has picked on over the years. Anti Vietnam war protests / Occupy etc. His view is that single issues come to represent a general critique against injustice.
Israel isn't being picked on for reasons of anti semitism but as , for example. Representative of carceral state. It's not that Israel is unique in this way.
On Zionism he says:
Is 'Western Self-Hatred' the Problem in the Gaza War Protest Movement?
After listening to a 90-minute comprehensive webinar on campus protests and antisemitism, led by a prominent Hillel rabbi at an elite university, I was shocked that there was no mention of Israel’s war on Gaza that has so far killed tens of thousands of civilians and injured almost 100,000 people. T
religiondispatches.org
This guy was speaking a lot on it. An American Rabbi also has Israeli citizenship.
He's written a lot. Here is what I thought was a good article about anti semitism and the protest movement in US and West.
He takes issue idea of Left Anti semitism.
Is 'Western Self-Hatred' the Problem in the Gaza War Protest Movement?
After listening to a 90-minute comprehensive webinar on campus protests and antisemitism, led by a prominent Hillel rabbi at an elite university, I was shocked that there was no mention of Israel’s war on Gaza that has so far killed tens of thousands of civilians and injured almost 100,000 people. T
religiondispatches.org
On Israel being picked on. He says good question. Lists other issues that Left has picked on over the years. Anti Vietnam war protests / Occupy etc. His view is that single issues come to represent a general critique against injustice.
Israel isn't being picked on for reasons of anti semitism but as , for example. Representative of carceral state. It's not that Israel is unique in this way.
On Zionism he says:
Think you posted the same link twice. Got one for the documentary.I watched an Al Jazeera documentary last night on Israel. Need to watch it again as a lot in it
Is 'Western Self-Hatred' the Problem in the Gaza War Protest Movement?
After listening to a 90-minute comprehensive webinar on campus protests and antisemitism, led by a prominent Hillel rabbi at an elite university, I was shocked that there was no mention of Israel’s war on Gaza that has so far killed tens of thousands of civilians and injured almost 100,000 people. T
This guy was speaking a lot on it. An American Rabbi also has Israeli citizenship.
He's written a lot. Here is what I thought was a good article about anti semitism and the protest movement in US and West.
He takes issue idea of Left Anti semitism.
Is 'Western Self-Hatred' the Problem in the Gaza War Protest Movement?
After listening to a 90-minute comprehensive webinar on campus protests and antisemitism, led by a prominent Hillel rabbi at an elite university, I was shocked that there was no mention of Israel’s war on Gaza that has so far killed tens of thousands of civilians and injured almost 100,000 people. T
On Israel being picked on. He says good question. Lists other issues that Left has picked on over the years. Anti Vietnam war protests / Occupy etc. His view is that single issues come to represent a general critique against injustice.
Israel isn't being picked on for reasons of anti semitism but as , for example. Representative of carceral state. It's not that Israel is unique in this way.
On Zionism he says:
Gramsci
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Sorry posted up same link twice
The documentary is this
It wasn't what I expected. Mainly Jewish people talking.
I need to watch it again as an awful lot in it
There is long conversation about Zionism/ Orientalism/ Anti semitism
From an historical and philosophical viewpoint. Which is fascinating.
I watch a lot of stuff on Al Jazeera. This was genuinely in-depth and looking at the conflict from a different angle
It's largely a Jewish take on background to Zionism and Anti semitism.
I looked up the contributors. Mainly US academics
mojo pixy
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......you still call it "bothsidesing"
I haven't 'defended' anything, actually, you're clearly not even bothering to read my posts. And I don't care if you're Karl Marx's long-lost twin, you're racist as shit and your racism on this thread is encouraging other racists. All the don't you know who I ams in the world are worth exactly fuck all to me. Clear now?
(Oh yeah and you, whoever you were.)
Comparing israel to famously anti-semitic nazi germany, specifically. Not other violent or right wing or racist or genocidal endeavours but specifically The Nazis.
You don't have to 'get it', personally, but I'm tired of pointing it out.
There are better, more accurate and less racist comparisons, many of which I've made on this thread. That people aren't listening, are defending it or standing up for it, isn't on me.
Right. And how many people have personally explained their racist expressions to you that way? Or are you just assuming / inventing an imaginary prole who justifies their racism with "I'm not racist, that's just the only comparison I can think of! Nothing to do with j00z1!!1"
Or maybe, intelligent people can hold racist views without necessarily even realising. Unconscious bias is, by its nature, something we aren't aware of.
There's no need to use and re-use this trope, or even 'explain' why people might; do we agonize over why someone calls muslims 'terrorists', or calls africans 'monkeys'? No we don't. With other racist tropes we just say fucking stop it. Think about that, not-stupid-man making not-stupid-points.
Of course you do, he's on your 'side' lol. Remember when you warned posters to be careful with language, because 'they' were setting traps?
Maybe take a step back and think again.
Again, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE NAZIS, and yet it always is. Not the many other comparisons that eg. I've made, but specifically nazis. Why? Why is the specifically nazi mass-murder the first one of the last 100 years or so that some people reach for?
What could it possibly be?
Plenty of people here are doing this. I've done it myself. I dont think I need to do it in every post tbh.
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Is that all?
Thanks for the dogpile. Again
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Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
You think you're going round and round on this one, and getting nowhere, because other people have an unconscious bias about Israel and don't even know they are being antisemitic. I think we're all going round and round and that you're becoming very boring. Which is a shame, because I normally read your posts with interest. Now I tend to think 'here we go again'.......you still call it "bothsidesing"
I haven't 'defended' anything, actually, you're clearly not even bothering to read my posts. And I don't care if you're Karl Marx's long-lost twin, you're racist as shit and your racism on this thread is encouraging other racists. All the don't you know who I ams in the world are worth exactly fuck all to me. Clear now?
Comparing israel to famously anti-semitic nazi germany, specifically. Not other violent or right wing or racist or genocidal endeavours but specifically The Nazis.
You don't have to 'get it', personally, but I'm tired of pointing it out.
There are better, more accurate and less racist comparisons, many of which I've made on this thread. That people aren't listening, are defending it or standing up for it, isn't on me.
Right. And how many people have personally explained their racist expressions to you that way? Or are you just assuming / inventing an imaginary prole who justifies their racism with "I'm not racist, that's just the only comparison I can think of! Nothing to do with j00z1!!1"
Or maybe, intelligent people can hold racist views without necessarily even realising. Unconscious bias is, by its nature, something we aren't aware of.
There's no need to use and re-use this trope, or even 'explain' why people might; do we agonize over why someone calls muslims 'terrorists', or calls africans 'monkeys'? No we don't. With other racist tropes we just say fucking stop it. Think about that, not-stupid-man making not-stupid-points.
Of course you do, he's on your 'side' lol. Remember when you warned posters to be careful with language, because 'they' were setting traps?
Maybe take a step back and think again.
Again, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE NAZIS, and yet it always is. Not the many other comparisons that eg. I've made, but specifically nazis. Why? Why is the specifically nazi mass-murder the first one of the last 100 years or so that some people reach for?
What could it possibly be?
Plenty of people here are doing this. I've done it myself. I dont think I need to do it in every post tbh.
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Is that all?
Thanks for the dogpile. Again
PTK
Paul Kegan
"Why is the specifically nazi mass-murder the first one of the last 100 years or so that some people reach for?......you still call it "bothsidesing"
I haven't 'defended' anything, actually, you're clearly not even bothering to read my posts. And I don't care if you're Karl Marx's long-lost twin, you're racist as shit and your racism on this thread is encouraging other racists. All the don't you know who I ams in the world are worth exactly fuck all to me. Clear now?
Comparing israel to famously anti-semitic nazi germany, specifically. Not other violent or right wing or racist or genocidal endeavours but specifically The Nazis.
You don't have to 'get it', personally, but I'm tired of pointing it out.
There are better, more accurate and less racist comparisons, many of which I've made on this thread. That people aren't listening, are defending it or standing up for it, isn't on me.
Right. And how many people have personally explained their racist expressions to you that way? Or are you just assuming / inventing an imaginary prole who justifies their racism with "I'm not racist, that's just the only comparison I can think of! Nothing to do with j00z1!!1"
Or maybe, intelligent people can hold racist views without necessarily even realising. Unconscious bias is, by its nature, something we aren't aware of.
There's no need to use and re-use this trope, or even 'explain' why people might; do we agonize over why someone calls muslims 'terrorists', or calls africans 'monkeys'? No we don't. With other racist tropes we just say fucking stop it. Think about that, not-stupid-man making not-stupid-points.
Of course you do, he's on your 'side' lol. Remember when you warned posters to be careful with language, because 'they' were setting traps?
Maybe take a step back and think again.
Again, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE NAZIS, and yet it always is. Not the many other comparisons that eg. I've made, but specifically nazis. Why? Why is the specifically nazi mass-murder the first one of the last 100 years or so that some people reach for?
What could it possibly be?
Plenty of people here are doing this. I've done it myself. I dont think I need to do it in every post tbh.
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Is that all?
Thanks for the dogpile. Again
What could it possibly be?"
Because people are less familiar with other examples of mass murder. I recall that a number of regimes, and various attrocities have been likened to Hitler and the Nazis. I can't imagine anyone ever comparing US troops in Vietnam, for example, to the forces of the Ottoman Empire at the time of the genocide of the Armenians.
How many people are even aware that the German Empire committed genocide in Namibia before the First World War?
mojo pixy
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Well sigh no more, because I agree with you.
PTK
Paul Kegan
You don't remember Milosevic being described as "the new Hitler"?
Happy Tree
maagilises metsas
I would dare to suggest that you feel there is a "dogpile" because most people believe Israel is in the wrong in this. Not because we're all anti-semitic or ganging up for the sake of it. There is no parity or bothsiding. There is an occupier and there is a resistance.
When gentiles oppose Israel's slaughter they're generously told they're "unconsciously" anti-semitic. When Jews oppose Israel they're "self-hating". Stop this constant anti-semitic victim game.
When gentiles oppose Israel's slaughter they're generously told they're "unconsciously" anti-semitic. When Jews oppose Israel they're "self-hating". Stop this constant anti-semitic victim game.
Gramsci
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A comparison Ilan Pappe makes is between Zionists and the ethnic cleansing in the Balkan wars of the 90s.
Some of those who perpetrated this in 90s ended up in international court
In his book the Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine he makes , what was at the time, that contentious comparison, between actions of Zionists in 48 and the present day.
Concluding the Nakba was a war crime.
That's David Ben Gurion. The IDF was formed out of Zionist para military groups who did this. The Haganah/ Irgun and Stern gang. Who put aside their differences to do this.
Its a long book and he makes a convincing case.
Yes their are other ways than using the Nazi comparison. And more accurate.
Whatever comparisons used are going to be contentious as none put Israel as a State in a good light.
Some of those who perpetrated this in 90s ended up in international court
In his book the Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine he makes , what was at the time, that contentious comparison, between actions of Zionists in 48 and the present day.
Concluding the Nakba was a war crime.
That's David Ben Gurion. The IDF was formed out of Zionist para military groups who did this. The Haganah/ Irgun and Stern gang. Who put aside their differences to do this.
Its a long book and he makes a convincing case.
Yes their are other ways than using the Nazi comparison. And more accurate.
Whatever comparisons used are going to be contentious as none put Israel as a State in a good light.
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I don't want to dwell on this issue any more. There are more important things to talk about. But if I were addressing the Israeli government and the IDF, I would say simply this: "You don't get to commit genocide and then complain about being compared to the Nazis."
mojo pixy
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Loads of individuals get compared to hitler. We have a 'worse than hitler' thread on here, even.
But not all groups/organizations get compared to nazis. That's been a comparison some on the Left have made with Israel for years. For years it's been widely-regarded as an antisemitic comparison because other states, as or more violent, genocidal or expansionist, don't. Whoever doesn't get that is possibly not aware of this long history. I'd accept that. But now, we are; because people here including me have pointed it out. Ignore that, minimise it, sideline it, whatever. Nobody can tell someone how to think, all we can do is raise flags here and there.
On which, I'm fascinated by the process by which I've been turned into a genocide-supporting, manipulative, dishonest cheerleader for neo-nazis, when all my life I've been opposed to Israeli violence and expansion, deeply and personally invested in the need for peace not war in the middle east, have read very widely on the history of the state of israel and zionism (probably more than anyone else here, except currently maybe Gramsci who's been catching up at lightning speed though IMO a bit, heh, one-sidedly. But better than the wall-to-wall knee-jerking that a lot of people here are engaged in).
Anyway, the vitriol that some of my posts here have attracted, when I've made clear again and again my opposition to israeli excesses, as well as my support for a proper palestinian state, has been genuinely surprising. It feels like what's attracting the anger isn't what I'm posting, specifically, but a sense of look at this pro-israel cunt, I want to put him in his place. Not because I've been supporting the war, its instigators, or their aims (see the Russia/Ukraine thread for examples of this and responses to it) because I haven't done that, not done it at all. In fact I've been explicitly critical of Israeli actions and the Israeli govt all the way through this thread.
I'm getting this because I speak positively about Israel at all. I know this. You know this. Be fucking honest about it.
But not all groups/organizations get compared to nazis. That's been a comparison some on the Left have made with Israel for years. For years it's been widely-regarded as an antisemitic comparison because other states, as or more violent, genocidal or expansionist, don't. Whoever doesn't get that is possibly not aware of this long history. I'd accept that. But now, we are; because people here including me have pointed it out. Ignore that, minimise it, sideline it, whatever. Nobody can tell someone how to think, all we can do is raise flags here and there.
On which, I'm fascinated by the process by which I've been turned into a genocide-supporting, manipulative, dishonest cheerleader for neo-nazis, when all my life I've been opposed to Israeli violence and expansion, deeply and personally invested in the need for peace not war in the middle east, have read very widely on the history of the state of israel and zionism (probably more than anyone else here, except currently maybe Gramsci who's been catching up at lightning speed though IMO a bit, heh, one-sidedly. But better than the wall-to-wall knee-jerking that a lot of people here are engaged in).
Anyway, the vitriol that some of my posts here have attracted, when I've made clear again and again my opposition to israeli excesses, as well as my support for a proper palestinian state, has been genuinely surprising. It feels like what's attracting the anger isn't what I'm posting, specifically, but a sense of look at this pro-israel cunt, I want to put him in his place. Not because I've been supporting the war, its instigators, or their aims (see the Russia/Ukraine thread for examples of this and responses to it) because I haven't done that, not done it at all. In fact I've been explicitly critical of Israeli actions and the Israeli govt all the way through this thread.
I'm getting this because I speak positively about Israel at all. I know this. You know this. Be fucking honest about it.
A long and self-pitying post from one whom I’ve not attacked or accused of anything at all, but who has quite happily accused me of all sorts.
maomao
普費斯
Comparisons don't have to be accurate or enlightening, all good language is figurative to some extent. I have regularly referred to management at my last workplace as nazis, it's a measure of my disapproval more than anything else. The Israeli government could stop people calling them nazis tomorrow if they wanted, by stopping the genocide.
I'd say the idea other states don't get this is bollocks. They do. Also it has always been presented to me as it being wrong essentially because of how much Jews suffered under the Nazis. The reason you give I hear much more in regard to other terms like Apartheid (the one that springs to mind) to describe Israeli actions.
Happy Tree
maagilises metsas
When most of the world was against apartheid in South Africa and were mobilising to stop it, it wasn't because we were all anti-white. Or self-hating whites. Strangely enough, it was the apartheid that was being opposed.
HeAthen
Nadgers.
Plenty of regimes have been compared to the Nazis, including Israel. As I've said, I don't think it's the right thing to do and that's regardless of which regime it is but I also don't think that it's necessarily anti-semitic to do so (and I've seen nothing I'd consider anti-semitic from the posters you are attacking). Likewise, I don't see you as someone who is blind to the apalling crimes against humanity Israel are comitting and you definitely do criticise them plenty.
al-Jazeera is good or excellent on most subjects excluding Qatar of course.
For the de facto apologist for the racist supremacist regime and the Nazi like crimes against humanity of its fascist military to call me a racist is just a tad ironic.......you still call it "bothsidesing"
I haven't 'defended' anything, actually, you're clearly not even bothering to read my posts. And I don't care if you're Karl Marx's long-lost twin, you're racist as shit and your racism on this thread is encouraging other racists. All the don't you know who I ams in the world are worth exactly fuck all to me. Clear now?
(Oh yeah and you, whoever you were.)
Comparing israel to famously anti-semitic nazi germany, specifically. Not other violent or right wing or racist or genocidal endeavours but specifically The Nazis.
You don't have to 'get it', personally, but I'm tired of pointing it out.
There are better, more accurate and less racist comparisons, many of which I've made on this thread. That people aren't listening, are defending it or standing up for it, isn't on me.
Right. And how many people have personally explained their racist expressions to you that way? Or are you just assuming / inventing an imaginary prole who justifies their racism with "I'm not racist, that's just the only comparison I can think of! Nothing to do with j00z1!!1"
Or maybe, intelligent people can hold racist views without necessarily even realising. Unconscious bias is, by its nature, something we aren't aware of.
There's no need to use and re-use this trope, or even 'explain' why people might; do we agonize over why someone calls muslims 'terrorists', or calls africans 'monkeys'? No we don't. With other racist tropes we just say fucking stop it. Think about that, not-stupid-man making not-stupid-points.
Of course you do, he's on your 'side' lol. Remember when you warned posters to be careful with language, because 'they' were setting traps?
Maybe take a step back and think again.
Again, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE NAZIS, and yet it always is. Not the many other comparisons that eg. I've made, but specifically nazis. Why? Why is the specifically nazi mass-murder the first one of the last 100 years or so that some people reach for?
What could it possibly be?
Plenty of people here are doing this. I've done it myself. I dont think I need to do it in every post tbh.
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Is that all?
Thanks for the dogpile. Again
Mental health is no excuse.
Fascism, war crimes, crimes against humanity, ethnic cleansing and genocide are criminal and wrong even if they happen to be committed by Jewish people acting in the name of a Jewish state. There are no exemptions based on ethnicity or religious beliefs, not morally, not legally.
If that makes me a racist so be it.
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