Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
well you'd hope so but if a) some of them have been killed or injured, b) people have been moved round so often, who knows who knows where people are
Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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mojo pixy
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I was going to say the same. I'm beginning to think netanyahu really believes he and his cronies can make the IDF do this and they'll all just get away with it.
I'm also beginning to suspect that they will just get away with it, too.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
They may, for a time. But the world is moving away from conditions which favour the zionist entity.
Gramsci
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UK policy on arms export licences to Israel: Foreign Secretary's statement
The Foreign Secretary gave a statement to the House of Commons on UK policy on arms export licences to Israel.
Read David Lammy statement.
It reads like he's apologising for stopping some arms licenses.
It's like he's addressing Netanyahu and saying sorry about this. But my officials have said we have to do something.
And look we are doing all these sanctions against Iran
For me it's a wind up. At one point he's saying there is not enough categorical evidence in Israel case and btw for Iran we just get on with it and sanction them.
This comes across as double standard.
And then he says he is a Progressive Liberal Zionist.
Hardly appropriate for a Home Secretary whose supposed to represent country.
And what does that mean?
He makes no mention of the ICJ ruling on the occupation. Or the genocide case.
He does make a nod to Palestinian statehood.
There is the usual stuff about Hamas and Israel's right to defend itself.
Gramsci
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From David Lammy statement
It's been all over news for months. All he criticises Israel for is not allowing enough aid in and it's treatment of prisoners.
It's like the bombing - destruction of hospitals / universities etc is not something he's seen
Reads as he doesn't want to criticise IDF directly.
Bizarre imo
It's been all over news for months. All he criticises Israel for is not allowing enough aid in and it's treatment of prisoners.
It's like the bombing - destruction of hospitals / universities etc is not something he's seen
Reads as he doesn't want to criticise IDF directly.
Bizarre imo
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
American activist shot dead in occupied West Bank
Aysenur Ezgi Eygi is reported to have been taking part in a protest against Jewish settlement expansion in the town of Beita near Nablus.
www.bbc.co.uk
Is it me or is the tone of the bbc's coverage much less zionist than previously?
teqniq
DisMembered
If it is maybe they've finally gotten the message from all the entirely justified criticism on Twitter every time they post a Tweet with obvious bias in the content.American activist shot dead in occupied West Bank
Aysenur Ezgi Eygi is reported to have been taking part in a protest against Jewish settlement expansion in the town of Beita near Nablus.www.bbc.co.uk
Is it me or is the tone of the bbc's coverage much less zionist than previously?
teqniq
DisMembered
Actually I stand corrected it seems to be business as usual and they are getting shedloads of stick in the replies for this tweet:
Gramsci
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UK policy on arms export licences to Israel: Foreign Secretary's statement
The Foreign Secretary gave a statement to the House of Commons on UK policy on arms export licences to Israel.www.gov.uk
Read David Lammy statement.
It reads like he's apologising for stopping some arms licenses.
It's like he's addressing Netanyahu and saying sorry about this. But my officials have said we have to do something.
And look we are doing all these sanctions against Iran
For me it's a wind up. At one point he's saying there is not enough categorical evidence in Israel case and btw for Iran we just get on with it and sanction them.
This comes across as double standard.
And then he says he is a Progressive Liberal Zionist.
Hardly appropriate for a Home Secretary whose supposed to represent country.
And what does that mean?
He makes no mention of the ICJ ruling on the occupation. Or the genocide case.
He does make a nod to Palestinian statehood.
There is the usual stuff about Hamas and Israel's right to defend itself.
To quote myself I wondered why I was so annoyed that David Lammy a Labour Foreign Secretary said in in Parliament he was a Zionist.
Back months ago when there was all the arguments about voting for a ceasefire the Labour right argument was that voting for a ceasefire was divisive.
My Lambeth Labour Cllr run by right of party and my MP Helen Hayes who is centre both argued that at the time voting for a ceasefire when representing a diverse multicultural area was divisive.
This was Lambeth Council ruling Labour group on this
To quote from the Labour group
Argument was that supporting ceasefire motion from Greens was divisive at a time when the Council in a multicultural borough had to bring communities together.
In so many words supporting a ceasefire was taking sides.
Now the Labour Foreign Secretary says in front of parliament that he is a Zionist.
The double standards so wind me up.
Leading member of labour government saying he is a Zionist is apparently not divisive.
What a load of bollocks this all is.
The utter cynicism of the support Israel whatever it does. I'm only stopping a few weapons because I have to crap.
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Gramsci
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Spot on.
I had a watch of this again
The guy from Campaign Against the Arms Trade pointed out the David Lammy was talking bollocks about F 35
For start they have been used in Gaza
And as you correctly point out UK could say to third party ,like US it sends components of F35 to ,yes you can pass them on to other countries but Israel is by UK not on list of approved destinations.
It's not that complicated thing to do.
So Lammy was talking horseshit. What a surprise from self confessed Zionist.
As the guy from CAAT says Lammy argument is just excuses. 12 minutes in on the programme
He also said its not just about upsetting US its also about the arms industry lobby.
I did not think about this before. It's not all about Israel Lammy is under pressure from the Arms industry in this country as well. Who are worried about there profits.
Inside Story on Al Jazeera is always worth a watch. Short to the point half hour programmes. Very informative
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Gramsci
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Been reading A Line in the Sand
www.simonandschuster.co.uk
Half way through.
What Id like to see is the Foreign Secretary in UK apologise to the people of the middle east for the UK government of the past doing the Balfour Declaration. As this is the start point of what is happening now.
British Empire meddling in the middle east for its own purposes
And apologise for the Labour party in the past supporting the Balfour declaration. Which it did.
A Line in the Sand
‘The very grubby coalface of foreign policy … I found the entire book most horribly addictive’ Independent ‘One of the unexpected responses to read...
www.simonandschuster.co.uk
Half way through.
What Id like to see is the Foreign Secretary in UK apologise to the people of the middle east for the UK government of the past doing the Balfour Declaration. As this is the start point of what is happening now.
British Empire meddling in the middle east for its own purposes
And apologise for the Labour party in the past supporting the Balfour declaration. Which it did.
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Gramsci
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The summary of the process government did on IHL and weapons for Israel
First two sections fair enough.
Lack of aid getting through and treatment of prisoners.
The last part about conduct of military operations I don't get.
Says not enough evidence. Yet with the treatment of prisoners there is the same issue. As the summary points out Israel state has been refusing access to Red Cross. So in that case its taken by UK government as an issue re IHL but conduct of military operations no
And repeats the Israeli government excuse that Hamas are hiding in hospitals etc. Gaza is one of the most densely populated places in the world. Any State actor who decides on policing action as an occupying power must take possibility of civilian casualties into account. Looks to me there is an argument that Israel as a State actor is not doing enough to stop civilian casualties. And is also deliberately blowing up infrastructure like Universities - not for military justifiable reasons.
This is summary of what they do:
And I notice this:
Statements by political actors - been plenty of those. And no mention of Israel politicians comments here or by David Lammy in his speech.
The idea is to establish a clear risk not 100 percent evidence.
I think on the military side of it ( conduct of hostilities) the UK government has not followed its own policies.
Too many wrong people in power all over the world causing havoc and destruction. None of them care one iota for the planet or its people. Power at all costs. I don’t believe the Middle East will be resolved until certain people are out of power. It’s like we have no choice but to wait and watch the slaughter. 
_Russ_
Never not Knowingly Misunderstood
Same as it ever was. Honest caring types seldom desire power over others.Too many wrong people in power all over the world causing havoc and destruction. None of them care one iota for the planet or its people. Power at all costs. I don’t believe the Middle East will be resolved until certain people are out of power. It’s like we have no choice but to wait and watch the slaughter.
There really isn't an answer the cunts will always seek these positions.
Like every truism there will be an occasional exception, but such strength and desire to fight the hordes of cunts to obtain these positions is relatively rare in those of good intent towards their fellow humans, they generally just crave peace
teqniq
DisMembered
I sere this has finally made it to a mainstream outlet:
www.abc.net.au
Israel accused of killing its own civilians under the 'Hannibal Directive' to avoid them being taken hostage
The controversial "Hannibal Directive", which Israel says isn't named for the famous Carthaginian general who took poison rather than be captured by the Romans, was reportedly enacted after the October 7 Hamas attack, with revelations detailing attacks by IDF tanks and helicopters on homes and...
www.abc.net.au
teqniq
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SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Well it's not the nice, peaceful countries who buy all the weapons is it? Not selling weapons to someone who will use them to hurt people sets a dangerous precedent if your whole schtick is making things to hurt people with.
Even if you ignore morality, I doubt the arms industry makes as much money as the state has to spend to keep it in business.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
They've now added '...by Israeli forces' but they've also added '...of Turkish origin' to the 'American activist' bit. Not sure why that needs to be in the headline.
For that matter, their use of the loaded word “activist” also creates a little narrative in its own right. Why not “peaceful objector to Israeli atrocities executed by Israeli military”?
teqniq
DisMembered
This looks to be yet another deliberately targeted killing:
www.rte.ie
Gaza officials say rescue service deputy director killed
The deputy director of the Gaza Civil Emergency Service and four members of his family have been killed in an Israeli airstrike on a house in Jabalia, health officials in Gaza have said.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Because they're not atrocities if the Israelis do them.
I seen lots of reports about this after October 7th. I also seen this.I sere this has finally made it to a mainstream outlet:
Israel accused of killing its own civilians under the 'Hannibal Directive' to avoid them being taken hostage
The controversial "Hannibal Directive", which Israel says isn't named for the famous Carthaginian general who took poison rather than be captured by the Romans, was reportedly enacted after the October 7 Hamas attack, with revelations detailing attacks by IDF tanks and helicopters on homes and...
Is this being investigated? The IDF like to investigate a lot but we never seem to get the results.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
The Telegraph three months ago MSNI sere this has finally made it to a mainstream outlet:
Israel accused of killing its own civilians under the 'Hannibal Directive' to avoid them being taken hostage
The controversial "Hannibal Directive", which Israel says isn't named for the famous Carthaginian general who took poison rather than be captured by the Romans, was reportedly enacted after the October 7 Hamas attack, with revelations detailing attacks by IDF tanks and helicopters on homes and...
There are older reports but I'm not sure whether they meet ms definition
_Russ_
Never not Knowingly Misunderstood
That bit "destroyed by community notes" is a bit of a trigger for me its all about that demeaning the opposition thing as the only way to make a point that has always been the arena Republicans play in.... makes me feel quite uneasy when I read the phrase.
Any road up, I didnt know what that community notes bollox was so googled...so being able to make a comment on a posting is some sort of wizzo new thing invented by twitter? Isnt that something you could just do anyway? (I know fuck all about twitter and the more I find out the more likely it is Ill never sign up to that crap
teqniq
DisMembered
You can only write and publish a community note if a you have a blue tick (paid) account.
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