Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion

[Gramsci]

The other thing about this is that the Palestinian fighters have not been defeated. In this asymmetrical war they keep popping up and taking on IDF.

 

[barlimo]

Israel's break all the rules in the book 'CARRY ON REGARDLESS ARMY' is at work again and they've been behaving in this manner for months. You would have had to have been asleep not to notice it!

 

[Dystopiary]

A wave of Israeli airstrikes on Gaza that hit another school are known to have killed 50 people and injured at least 200.

Thousands of adults and children were sheltering at Khadija school in Deir al-Balah, central Gaza Strip, where at least 30 people were killed.

There were further strikes on Khan Younis.

The UN’s office for humanitarian affairs (OCHA) said earlier this week that evacuation orders in Khan Younis were “issued in the context of ongoing attacks by the Israeli military and gave no time for civilians to know from which areas they were required to leave or where they should go”.

The OCHA labelled these mass evacuation orders “confusing” and said Israeli forces issued demands for civilians to flee while increasing their attacks on the same areas, as well as potential escape routes.

Where can people go? They're forced to evacuate and then get attacked where they shelter. It's utterly inhumane. This is supported by the British government.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...east-israel-gaza-war-hamas-khan-younis-latest

 

[teqniq]

Most definitely not a military target and there can really be only be a handful of reasons for blowing it up:

 

[Elpenor]

Wonder if Starmer thinks Israel had the right to do this?

 

[nino_savatte]

The other thing about this is that the Palestinian fighters have not been defeated. In this asymmetrical war they keep popping up and taking on IDF.

Urban conflicts are notoriously difficult to prosecute, as Israel knows only too well from its previous actions in Gaza. But as we all know, this war is more about Netanyahu's political career and his vanity than owt else.

 

[Pickman's model]

Israel's break all the rules in the book 'CARRY ON REGARDLESS ARMY' is at work again and they've been behaving in this manner for months. You would have had to have been asleep not to notice it!

Only someone who has never seen carry on regardless would post something like this

 

[Knotted]

Feel free to delete this editor if not allowed but someone reached out to me on Goodreads asking for help in getting out of Gaza. I can't donate much at the moment but hopefully someone else could https://goget.fund/44W3MRi

There's hundreds of videos in Tiktok by Gazans begging for help. Sometimes stoically, sometimes in tears, sometimes surrounded by their family but usually with the sound of drones in the background. Tiktokers are using all the tricks to boost them, there's a community on there of hundreds of thousands trying help them get out.

 

[Mezzer]

Only someone who has never seen carry on regardless would post something like this

As you so very often do, you're playing the player not the ball again Pickman. You disagree with the way he frames his argument, but essentially, believe the same. Rather petty.

 

[Pickman's model]

As you so very often do, you're playing the player not the ball again Pickman. You disagree with the way he frames his argument, but essentially, believe the same. Rather petty.

What do you mean, I essentially believe the same as barlimo?

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

The fact you find the need to bully others just to appear smarter on a thread where we all fundamentally agree the same. You don’t look cleverer you just look like a cunt.

 

[Pickman's model]

The fact you find the need to bully others just to appear smarter on a thread where we all agree the same. You don’t look cleverer you just look like a cunt.

We're all cunts here, Boris. And we don't all agree the same here which is why I await Mezzer's clarification of his post.

 

[Gramsci]

The issue with Gazans trying to get out is that it's exactly what the Zionists want.

On the one hand it's totally understandable that people want to get out.

The Zionists who run Israel have destroyed Gaza infrastructure.

This destruction started before the latest wave of violence.

Even if there was a ceasefire tomorrow Gaza is now not liveable in. If liveable is counted as a decent standard of living.

Neighbouring countries don't want to be seen to be facilitating ethnic cleansing.

I can see why people want to get out and restart lives elsewhere.

The blame for this is Zionism. It's been doing this since 48.

Removal or making life so difficult people try to get out is how it works

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

We're all cunts here, Boris. And we don't all agree the same here which is why I await Mezzer's clarification of his post.

No. Watch the videos of children being slaughtered and I don’t care for your slap headed anti semantics. How do you like them apples cunt?

 

[Pickman's model]

No. Watch the videos of children being slaughtered and I don’t care for your slap headed anti semantics. How do you like them apples cunt?

Somewhere between your mind and my screen your meaning's gone awol. Perhaps you could expand on these anti semantics. Not something I've ever been accused of before.

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

Nah mate you’re a bully and a prick. Condescending bullying no mark. Fuck off

 

[agricola]

The other thing about this is that the Palestinian fighters have not been defeated. In this asymmetrical war they keep popping up and taking on IDF.

It is almost impossible for the Palestinian fighters to be defeated fighting like this, as the IDF absolutely know because they've done this repeatedly up until this point. There are only two ways to defeat insurgency campaigns of this kind - the surest way is to remove the grounds for the insurgency in the first place, ie: win over hearts and minds of the populace and generally buy people off with better lives. This doesn't remove all of the insurgents but it does remove a lot of the cover they need from their society to act, and often results in peace when everyone is genuine about it and prepared to work. They obviously aren't doing this, and never will.

The other way is to kill everyone encountered until the survivors run off or die of starvation. I don't think they are doing that now, as horrific as the violence is, but we are probably only two or three further episodes of "Israel being attacked" before the Israeli government at the time tries to do that.

 

[Pickman's model]

Nah mate you’re a bully and a prick. Condescending bullying no mark. Fuck off

What, for pointing out barlimo's ignorance of cor? And what should I make of your bit about slap headed anti semantics? Strikes me you're something of a hypocrite to say the least.

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

No cos you’re a cunt

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

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[Pickman's model]

No cos you’re a cunt

And you're a disappointing bore. Let's return to the matter at hand instead of continuing this unhappy exchange.

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

Only someone who has never seen carry on regardless would post something like this

Yeah, let’s get to discussing the matter in hand. Dickhead.

 

[Pickman's model]

It is almost impossible for the Palestinian fighters to be defeated fighting like this, as the IDF absolutely know because they've done this repeatedly up until this point. There are only two ways to defeat insurgency campaigns of this kind - the surest way is to remove the grounds for the insurgency in the first place, ie: win over hearts and minds of the populace and generally buy people off with better lives. This doesn't remove all of the insurgents but it does remove a lot of the cover they need from their society to act, and often results in peace when everyone is genuine about it and prepared to work. They obviously aren't doing this, and never will.

The other way is to kill everyone encountered until the survivors run off or die of starvation. I don't think they are doing that now, as horrific as the violence is, but we are probably only two or three further episodes of "Israel being attacked" before the Israeli government at the time tries to do that.

Tbh as we've seen with eg the destruction of the rafah reservoir above the zionists are hellbent on genocide. They're determined to take route 2 of your post. When the campaign comes to an end I expect we're going to see at least 250,000 dead Palestinians and quite possibly nearer to 500,000. Come back in a few years time and many of the children who are malnourished today will have developed chronic health problems. And many many thousands will die in the next couple of decades from breathing in poisonous dust from the destroyed buildings - there'll be life, as it were, in this genocide for many years to come

 

[barlimo]

Only someone who has never seen carry on regardless would post something like this

Went right over your head.

 

[Gramsci]

It is almost impossible for the Palestinian fighters to be defeated fighting like this, as the IDF absolutely know because they've done this repeatedly up until this point. There are only two ways to defeat insurgency campaigns of this kind - the surest way is to remove the grounds for the insurgency in the first place, ie: win over hearts and minds of the populace and generally buy people off with better lives. This doesn't remove all of the insurgents but it does remove a lot of the cover they need from their society to act, and often results in peace when everyone is genuine about it and prepared to work. They obviously aren't doing this, and never will.

The other way is to kill everyone encountered until the survivors run off or die of starvation. I don't think they are doing that now, as horrific as the violence is, but we are probably only two or three further episodes of "Israel being attacked" before the Israeli government at the time tries to do that.

Agreed

Thinking on what you have posted this is the difference between Settler Colonialism and Imperial Colonialism.

British Empire were brutal. The Arab revolt in Palestine was put down harshly for example. But at no time were British wanting to supplant Arab elites. They wanted them to knuckle under and work with British to run the Palestine mandate. Same goes for other later period British Empire revolts.

There was the Balfour declaration put into the Mandate. But British officials on the ground and Military wanted Palestinian elites to come to compromise. In the fashion of late British Empire.

Writing into the mandate a homeland for the Jews was not only wrong and against the post WW1 mandate idea but something that this country has a historic responsibility for. As its the ground work for what is happening now.

Zionism on other hand is about elimination/ removal or subjugation of the indigenous population. Its settler colonialism. British Empire had strategic issues in middle east but that did not necessarily mean supporting Zionism to fulfil them.

Those remaining Arabs to live without real political rights in land controlled by Zionist state.

IMO the problem in Gaza for Israeli state is that they did not think it through properly.

West Bank is incrementally being annexed by Israel. With pockets of Palestinians in Bantustans. That has been successful.

Gaza was not part of this and Israel state lost control. Netanyahu is still saying Israel has no claim to it. But I don't see how that is going to work. There are no Palestinians who are going to work with Israel about a peace process in Gaza.

 

[19force8]

Supposedly the only reason he's in the USA is because he was invited by Republicans hoping to drive a wedge against the Democrats ahead of the election

Not the only reason:

Netanyahu brings bags of ‘dirty laundry to White House to be washed'

Israeli prime minister vehemently denies the reports

www.independent.co.uk

 

[ID47]

Tbh as we've seen with eg the destruction of the rafah reservoir above the zionists are hellbent on genocide. They're determined to take route 2 of your post. When the campaign comes to an end I expect we're going to see at least 250,000 dead Palestinians and quite possibly nearer to 500,000. Come back in a few years time and many of the children who are malnourished today will have developed chronic health problems. And many many thousands will die in the next couple of decades from breathing in poisonous dust from the destroyed buildings - there'll be life, as it were, in this genocide for many years to come

Indeed, I read recently the present death toll may already be as high as approx 125,000.

It's genocide and the zionist entity 'Israel' needs to be definitively shut down as was Nazi Germany.

Israel has no future.

 

[Mezzer]

What do you mean, I essentially believe the same as barlimo?

That Israel 'breaks every rule in the book' and cares not a fig for international judgements and obligations. As do most of us on this discussion baord, surely? I wasn't referring to Barlimo's past history or posts, just this particular one, which didn't warrant your sarcastic come back.

 

[Pickman's model]

That Israel 'breaks every rule in the book' and cares not a fig for international judgements and obligations. As do most of us on this discussion baord, surely? I wasn't referring to Barlimo's past history or posts, just this particular one, which didn't warrant your sarcastic come back.

But that's a) not true and b) not what I believe. I wish you wouldn't try and tell me what I think when it's clear you haven't a scooby.

Any reasonable person bring told they believed the same as the miserable barlimo would assume you referred to their philosophy, if you will,their set of beliefs. Notably their anti-semitism. Your clarification doesn't exclude that. So I'll take the opportunity to point out it's one characteristic I don't share with barlimo.

Oh and there was nothing sarcastic about the post you find so objectionable.

 

[mojo pixy]

Indeed, I read recently the present death toll may already be as high as approx 125,000.

It's genocide and the zionist entity 'Israel' needs to be definitively shut down as was Nazi Germany.

Israel has no future.

Any other comparisons you'd like to try, or is 'nazi germany' the best one you can think of?