Well I think they don't verbally support the right of Palestinian self determination. Because if it were a right it would not be negotiable, or an end result of negotiation. Even if they want a peace process leading to a two state solution they don't recognise Palestine in the immediate, whereas they do of course recognise Israel in a way that is non-negotiable. This is also why the phrase "from the river to the sea" is considered beyond the pale but only from the Palestinian side.
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Well I think they don't verbally support the right of Palestinian self determination. Because if it were a right it would not be negotiable, or an end result of negotiation. Even if they want a peace process leading to a two state solution they don't recognise Palestine in the immediate, whereas they do of course recognise Israel in a way that is non-negotiable. This is also why the phrase "from the river to the sea" is considered beyond the pale but only from the Palestinian side.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
I don't think the IDF killed many if at all just let an aid convoy into a crowd of starving people with absoultely no security (because they know the IDF would kill them ) then sit back and watch the chaos
possibly fire a few warning shots to start the stampede sit back and laugh 
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If there were any palestinian security, even if it was my palesetin cousin with a hi Viz and a clip board 
they'd be Hamas so a legit Target according to the most moral army in the world
possibly fire a few warning shots to start the stampede sit back and laugh .If there were any palestinian security, even if it was my palesetin cousin
with a hi Viz and a clip board they'd be Hamas so a legit Target according to the most moral army in the worldplanetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Anyone listening to R4 just now? Palestinian writer/journalist (described as respected by the BBC) who was in the food queue, unambiguously saying IDF opened fire on the crowd, not in the air. Followed by IDF spokesperson who was asked again and again what threat the IDF felt they were under - refused to answer the question.
Just in case there's anyone out there who has doubts this was a war crime and a continuing act of genocide.
Firing on a queue/crowd of starving people. Seems pretty close to an act of fascism to me.
And yet those posters who left this thread, some left the website, still refusing to engage. If it was an American mass shooting this incident alone would have produced page after page of (rightful) condemnation by all and sundry.
Why the fuck are some people too scared to even condemn a hideous crime perpetrated by a state?
Just in case there's anyone out there who has doubts this was a war crime and a continuing act of genocide.
Firing on a queue/crowd of starving people. Seems pretty close to an act of fascism to me.
And yet those posters who left this thread, some left the website, still refusing to engage. If it was an American mass shooting this incident alone would have produced page after page of (rightful) condemnation by all and sundry.
Why the fuck are some people too scared to even condemn a hideous crime perpetrated by a state?
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
I don't think the IDF killed many if at all just let an aid convoy into a crowd of starving people with absoultely no security (because they know the IDF would kill them ) then sit back and watch the chaos
Though that is possible, it's not what happened. The evidence, the people turning up at hospital with gunshot wounds, the eyewitness accounts, says otherwise.
Aladdin
Well-Known Member
Yes...well there are numbers of dead with bullets in their heads. So...I don't think the IDF killed many if at all just let an aid convoy into a crowd of starving people with absoultely no security (because they know the IDF would kill them ) then sit back and watch the chaos
If there were any palestinian security, even if it was my palesetin cousin
I believe the Palestinians.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
I don't think the IDF killed many if at all just let an aid convoy into a crowd of starving people with absoultely no security (because they know the IDF would kill them ) then sit back and watch the chaos
If there were any palestinian security, even if it was my palesetin cousin
I agree the IDF probably fired first and triggered a stampede that way, but I rather doubt that it was a few warning shots. 100+ wounded with gunshot wounds and another hundred dead suggests sustained fire over a period of time, as does the stampede itself (since they'd all be running in a similar direction away from the fire).
teqniq
DisMembered
Have you actually seen any of the footage? That wasn't rioting, that was people running for their lives.I don't think the IDF killed many if at all just let an aid convoy into a crowd of starving people with absoultely no security (because they know the IDF would kill them ) then sit back and watch the chaos
If there were any palestinian security, even if it was my palesetin cousin
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
I don't think the IDF killed many if at all just let an aid convoy into a crowd of starving people with absoultely no security (because they know the IDF would kill them ) then sit back and watch the chaos
If there were any palestinian security, even if it was my palesetin cousin
IMO, even if things went as in your description, the IDF killed those people. Start a panic in a crowd like that, and you're responsible.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Even if the IDF wasn't there at all, they created they're the reason people are desperate and starving in the first place.
But the IDF was there, with guns, and then people got shot.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Biden announces U.S. will airdrop food aid into Gaza as famine concerns grow
The president reiterated that the U.S. is trying to push for an immediate cease-fire between Hamas and Israel in order to allow more aid into Gaza.
www.nbcnews.com
and called for a ceasefire for at least six weeks (part of interview shown on Fox News)
teqniq
DisMembered
This guy is keeping a record of the completely disgusting behaviour of the Israeli troops:
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Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
In the Bluesky app, Held my finger on the picture until it said save as. I’m on an old iPhonehow you do that then?
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ska invita
back on the other side
It's not like they've never shot at unnarmed people before they've been doing this for years
Spandex
A crazy bulbous punchbag of sound
As the International Rescue Committee say: "airdrops are not the solution to relieve this suffering, and distract time and effort from proven solutions to help at scale".Biden announces U.S. will airdrop food aid into Gaza as famine concerns grow
The president reiterated that the U.S. is trying to push for an immediate cease-fire between Hamas and Israel in order to allow more aid into Gaza.
and called for a ceasefire for at least six weeks (part of interview shown on Fox News)
This air dropped aid is just a spectacle to provide cover against outrage in an election year that the US are enabling the genocidal denial of food to the Gazan population.
Rather that politely requesting Israel stops the killing for six weeks, in the face of Netanyahu's government clearly doing everything it can to undermine ceasefire negotiations, he could force it if he actually wanted to.
The clock is ticking down to Ramadan - 8 days to go - when the Israelis have said they'll invade Rafah, which everyone knows will result in the slaughter of innocents on a massive scale. It's not time to call for a ceasefire; it's time to make it happen.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Germany as well as Israel now up in front of the ICJ.
In Gemany case for supporting Genocide
Good. Way German politicians and government have been going on glad Nicaragua have filed this.
The provisional measures would be to halt any military aid from Germany to Israel I assume.
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Gramsci
Well-Known Member
More on Nicaragua:
www.middleeasteye.net
Nicaragua takes Germany to ICJ for failing to prevent genocide against Palestinians
The Latin American country asks world court to issue provisional measures against Germany for failing to prevent genocide against Palestinians in Gaza
www.middleeasteye.net
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
EU resumes funding to UNRWA. ( EU elections btw in June )
neighbourhood-enlargement.ec.europa.eu
Commission will proceed to paying EUR 50 million to UNRWA and increase emergency support to Palestinians by EUR 68 million in 2024
Today, the Commission has decided to allocate an additional EUR 68 million to support the Palestinian population across the region to be implemented through international partners like the Red Cross and the Red Crescent.
I don't think the IDF killed many if at all just let an aid convoy into a crowd of starving people with absoultely no security (because they know the IDF would kill them ) then sit back and watch the chaos
If there were any palestinian security, even if it was my palesetin cousin
A panic leading to a stampede is quite probable. However I think I heard early 80% of those killed or injured had bullet wounds. I’m guessing the stampeding panicking starving crowd didn’t start shooting themselves.
Spandex
A crazy bulbous punchbag of sound
According to the ever-despicable Mark Regev, currently special advisor to Netanyahu: "In the incident of the truck being swarmed there was gunfire, that was Palestinian armed groups. We don't know if it was Hamas or others."
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
This. There is no excuse for anyone not to see what is going on.
teqniq
DisMembered
The No Thanks app which was initially removed from both Google Play and the App store has been reinstated by both. It scans barcodes to give the country of origin thus giving you the choice to purchase or not depending on where it's from.
Aladdin
Well-Known Member
Thanks for that..
I don't know that I could use it as most my shopping is done online.
I've looked online and found some useful mini posters. Might post them to a new thread. I'll include your reference to the app..thanks.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
EU resumes funding to UNRWA. ( EU elections btw in June )
Commission will proceed to paying EUR 50 million to UNRWA and increase emergency support to Palestinians by EUR 68 million in 2024
Today, the Commission has decided to allocate an additional EUR 68 million to support the Palestinian population across the region to be implemented through international partners like the Red Cross and the Red Crescent.
To add the funding to UNWRA is part of the funding. Some is being withheld to later date:
So rest of the funding is conditional.
Personally I'm not impressed by EU attitude. UNWRA people on the ground have been killed by IDF. UNWRA is under intense pressure due to the humanitarian crisis. A lot of Palestinians depend on UNWRA across West Bank and Gaza due to actions of Israeli state over the years. The blockade of Gaza for years meant UNWRA was more needed by a lot of Palestinians due to effect on economy of the the blockade.
Yet EU and some member states have chosen this time to question UNWRA not the conditions that led UNWRA to play an important and necessary role in keeping Palestinians going. Conditions caused by State of Israel actions over the years.
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