Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion

[Serge Forward]

Very sad. I have a fair few differences with Crimethinc but they're right here.

Let’s admit that the kind of protest activity that has taken place thus far in the United States has not served to compel the US government to compel a halt to the genocide in Gaza. It is an open question what could accomplish that. Aaron’s action challenges us to answer this question—and to answer it differently than he did.

 

[Serge Forward]

Saw the video.. its on middle east eye.

Crying still.

Aaron kept screaming "free Palestine" as he was clearly burning to death.
The fucking policeman who arrives on the scene pulls a gun on him and keeps pointing the gun at him while one other man screams for help and a fire extinguisher. It takes way too long for them to get a fire extinguisher and another person arrives with a first aid box and a police woman walks slowly up with an extinguisher. The policeman keeps a gun pointed at Aaron all that time.

Aaron clearly states his intent at the beginning of his live stream. And kept calling "Free Palestine" as he was burning to death.

Extremely sad.
Extraordinarily courageous.

Ultimately I hope it does soom good but I suspect a lot of the world is numbed to horror and self sacrifice.

Yeah, I saw the cop pointing a gun at him and the lazy arse with the extinguisher and thought what the actual fuck? US filth never cease to amaze.

 

[Flavour]

update: he is confirmed dead now

 

[Serge Forward]

I'm sure the news said he'd died of his injuries... unless I misread/misheard it.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yeah, I saw the cop pointing a gun at him and the lazy arse with the extinguisher and thought what the actual fuck? US filth never cease to amaze.

it would be actually amazing if you ever heard of an american cop doing some serving and protecting of the community instead of blowing people away

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

Saw the video.

I did read in the comments that the guy with the gun might be embassy security rather than police but frankly it wouldn't shock me either way.

Still feeling sad.

 

[ska invita]

" ground invasion of Rafah may begin around Ramadan, which is expected to start on 10 March. Benny Gantz, part of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's three-member war cabinet, told a conference of Jewish American leaders: "If by Ramadan our hostages are not home, the fighting will continue to the Rafah area.""

bomb and starve till then

" Netanyahu said over the weekend that even a ceasefire would only delay the invasion of Rafah. He describes it as an essential part of Israel’s target of “total victory” over Hamas."

 

[Aladdin]

RIP

 

[dylanredefined]

Because, if the State of Israel did not receive military assistance and weapons from the UK and the USA and other states, its war effort would be hampered. The UK is complicit in the slaughter.

The UK doesn't supply anything vital enough to turn off the war-fighting ability of the IDF in its absence. We can call for a cease-fire or even for the IDF to just fight like the professionals they claim their armed forces are. They can ignore us and everyone else apart from the USA.

 

[PTK]

The UK doesn't supply anything vital enough to turn off the war-fighting ability of the IDF in its absence. We can call for a cease-fire or even for the IDF to just fight like the professionals they claim their armed forces are. They can ignore us and everyone else apart from the USA.

Nevertheless, the UK ought to try to hamper the Israeli war effort, rather than aid.

 

[Aladdin]

Nevertheless, the UK ought to try to hamper the Israeli war effort, rather than aid.

And help the aid effort into Gaza.

 

[TopCat]

The UK doesn't supply anything vital enough to turn off the war-fighting ability of the IDF in its absence. We can call for a cease-fire or even for the IDF to just fight like the professionals they claim their armed forces are. They can ignore us and everyone else apart from the USA.

We bombed the Houthi’s. Why not the Israelis?

 

[dylanredefined]

We bombed the Houthi’s. Why not the Israelis?

Apart from bombing people who can shoot back isn't something the RAF has trained for lately. Israel isn't blocking international trade. Neither side likes us blaming the UK for the whole mess in the first place.

 

[Aladdin]

Saw this today.
A tv show in Israel.
Their conversation completely dehumanises the Palestinians. The conversation is truly horrifying.

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

The scary thing I have learnt with abusers, is they project. Everything that is said there, Is true, but they are speaking about themselves.

 

[TopCat]

Apart from bombing people who can shoot back isn't something the RAF has trained for lately. Israel isn't blocking international trade. Neither side likes us blaming the UK for the whole mess in the first place.

Killing twenty thousand people, the majority women and children deserves a military response.

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

Nevertheless, the UK ought to try to hamper the Israeli war effort, rather than aid.

Do you know how much weapons export licenses are worth to the UK economy?

 

[Ol Nick]

Killing twenty thousand people, the majority women and children deserves a military response.

No but seriously, and I am going to stick to the facts. I have no horse in this race.

Gaza has an elected government that rapes dancers, murders health workers, and also kidnaps babies. The Hamas have claimed this so can we take it as true? That builds military installations under hospitals. That hides soldiers in civilian buildings.

This government has a constitution that promises to not only destroy the country next door, but also kill every citizen of it and every adherent of its religion.

This government has the support of between 55 and 70 per cent of it population for the above positions.

And then they do October 7th. What other thing would the people under attack actually do? I mean what was the alternative? What would you have done? I’m not sure would have been very chill, even if I should have been. If you show some empathy for the people under attack you must realise that you would have been very angry indeed.

 

[Buddy Bradley]

This government has the support of between 55 and 70 per cent of it population for the above positions.

Didn't I read somewhere that something like two-thirds of the present population of Gaza are not old enough to have voted in the last election? You can't blame kids for the assholes their parents might have voted for.

 

[TopCat]

No but seriously, and I am going to stick to the facts. I have no horse in this race.

Gaza has an elected government that rapes dancers, murders health workers, and also kidnaps babies. The Hamas have claimed this so can we take it as true? That builds military installations under hospitals. That hides soldiers in civilian buildings.

This government has a constitution that promises to not only destroy the country next door, but also kill every citizen of it and every adherent of its religion.

This government has the support of between 55 and 70 per cent of it population for the above positions.

And then they do October 7th. What other thing would the people under attack actually do? I mean what was the alternative? What would you have done? I’m not sure would have been very chill, even if I should have been. If you show some empathy for the people under attack you must realise that you would have been very angry indeed.

You can’t view the events of Oct in isolation. Fuck Israel.

 

[Spandex]

That builds military installations under hospitals.

[Citation needed]

 

[little_legs]

I mean what was the alternative?

Israel could end their apartheid state tomorrow, and they are responsible for the October 7th casualties.

 

[Gramsci]

No but seriously, and I am going to stick to the facts. I have no horse in this race.

Gaza has an elected government that rapes dancers, murders health workers, and also kidnaps babies. The Hamas have claimed this so can we take it as true? That builds military installations under hospitals. That hides soldiers in civilian buildings.

This government has a constitution that promises to not only destroy the country next door, but also kill every citizen of it and every adherent of its religion.

This government has the support of between 55 and 70 per cent of it population for the above positions.

And then they do October 7th. What other thing would the people under attack actually do? I mean what was the alternative? What would you have done? I’m not sure would have been very chill, even if I should have been. If you show some empathy for the people under attack you must realise that you would have been very angry indeed.

The Israeli state response has not been proportionate.

On Hamas. I've done some reading and posts on Hamas and over years there position shifted.

From your post you definitely have a horse in this race. As you are not sticking to the facts. In the sense of a historical context.

 

[little_legs]

What would you have done?

I wouldn't have attended a rave next to Gaza. You might as well have one on a slave plantation.

Stupid cunt.

 

[Gramsci]

This thread sometimes reminds me of my mate at work. Whose position is he isn't interested in politics and does not watch news much. Fair enough. He is big on sport.

But then if I mention something like Gaza comes out with the most political of comments. I tend to avoid the subject.

 

[SpookyFrank]

And then they do October 7th. What other thing would the people under attack actually do? I mean what was the alternative?

You cannot take revenge on the innocent. All you will do if you lash out in rage is bring humanity, and with it yourself and all those you love, closer to absolute ruin.

There is always an alternative.

 

[hash tag]

Closing tower bridge is one thing. This is something else .

Aaron Bushnell: US airman dies after setting himself on fire outside Israeli embassy in Washington

Secret Service agents extinguished the flames during the incident on Sunday afternoon.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[The39thStep]

Germany calling

 

[Pickman's model]

No but seriously, and I am going to stick to the facts. I have no horse in this race.

Gaza has an elected government that rapes dancers, murders health workers, and also kidnaps babies. The Hamas have claimed this so can we take it as true? That builds military installations under hospitals. That hides soldiers in civilian buildings.

This government has a constitution that promises to not only destroy the country next door, but also kill every citizen of it and every adherent of its religion.

This government has the support of between 55 and 70 per cent of it population for the above positions.

And then they do October 7th. What other thing would the people under attack actually do? I mean what was the alternative? What would you have done? I’m not sure would have been very chill, even if I should have been. If you show some empathy for the people under attack you must realise that you would have been very angry indeed.

You always know someone who says they're going stick to the facts won't.

 

[PTK]

No but seriously, and I am going to stick to the facts. I have no horse in this race.

Gaza has an elected government that rapes dancers, murders health workers, and also kidnaps babies. The Hamas have claimed this so can we take it as true? That builds military installations under hospitals. That hides soldiers in civilian buildings.

This government has a constitution that promises to not only destroy the country next door, but also kill every citizen of it and every adherent of its religion.

This government has the support of between 55 and 70 per cent of it population for the above positions.

And then they do October 7th. What other thing would the people under attack actually do? I mean what was the alternative? What would you have done? I’m not sure would have been very chill, even if I should have been. If you show some empathy for the people under attack you must realise that you would have been very angry indeed.

How about an eye for an eye, rather than one eye for thirty eyes?