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Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion

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ska invita said:
Deafening silence in British media to the announcement by Netanyahu to Israel's "post-war" plan - barely reported and certainly no commentary to it
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klang said:
More as if the houthis are somehow a viable alternative to western war mongering / are to be celebrated for 'actively doing something'. Their war crimes, islamist agenda, and outright cruelty is just brushed aside.
Not the thread for this though, i guess.....
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It is the thread for this as long as their apologists are posting here.
 
PTK said:
Note that the SNP Motion did not actually call for the government to cease supporting the war effort of the State of Israel. The UK not only exports arms to that state, but has also been providing in the form of RAF overflights of the Gaza Strip.

There is nothing in the SNP Motion about the UK using all possible means to pressure the State of Israel into desisting from violating international humanitarian law.
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SNP Motion.
That this House calls for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza and Israel; notes with shock and distress that the death toll has now risen beyond 28,000, the vast majority of whom were women and children; further notes that there are currently 1.5 million Palestinians sheltering in Rafah, 610,000 of whom are children; also notes that they have nowhere else to go; condemns any military assault on what is now the largest refugee camp in the world; further calls for the immediate release of all hostages taken by Hamas and an end to the collective punishment of the Palestinian people; and recognises that the only way to stop the slaughter of innocent civilians is to press for a ceasefire now.
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Leader of SNP is saying that arms to Israel need to be stopped.

He is saying what the leader of the Labour party should be saying.

SNP is small party and this country is run by two parties who ( despite in Labour party a short disruption of this in Corbyn years) support Israel.


 
Humza Yousef has been doing a great job for those of us who support Palestinians.

What he says is to the point and cannot be easily dismissed.

The only way the establishment party like Labour party can undermine hin is by the cynical tactics they used a few days ago.
 
I think the SNP motion left out arms as it was about a ceasefire.

Which one would have thought the SNP wording was not controversial.

Seems having Collective Punishment in it was to much for Labour party leadership

I do not think SNP put that in for cynical reasons.

Listening to leader of SNP and I think its genuine.

Any reasonable person can see that this attack on Gaza can be argued to be collective punishment
 
Gramsci said:
I think the SNP motion left out arms as it was about a ceasefire.

Which one would have thought the SNP wording was not controversial.

Seems having Collective Punishment in it was to much for Labour party leadership

I do not think SNP put that in for cynical reasons.

Listening to leader of SNP and I think its genuine.

Any reasonable person can see that this attack on Gaza can be argued to be collective punishment
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The SNP Motion was absolutely useless because it did not instuct the government to do anything. It did not demand that the government do something to facilitate a ceasefire. Thus all their lovely declarations amount to nothing.
 
PTK said:
The SNP Motion was absolutely useless because it did not instuct the government to do anything. It did not demand that the government do something to facilitate a ceasefire. Thus all their lovely declarations amount to nothing.
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I'm not sure an opposition party can instruct a government to do anything.
 
Sue said:
I'm not sure an opposition party can instruct a government to do anything
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If a private member's bill can change the law, then there seems to be no reason why an oppostion party can propse a that the government to something. If it cannot, then perhaps there is no point in putting a Motion.
 
TopCat said:
The only emphatic demands for a ceasefire, backed by force, has been from the dubious coalition to the Houthis.
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...and from a great many private citizens in a wide range of countries of course,.
You would think in a year that will see many of those countries hold elections, that their leaders might listen to them, perhaps they gamble that a greater proportion of their populace is either into killing Muslims (stops the boats innit) or believes the crap Israel's government and its allies dish out
 
_Russ_ said:
...and from a great many private citizens in a wide range of countries of course,.
You would think in a year that will see many of those countries hold elections, that their leaders might listen to them, perhaps they gamble that a greater proportion of their populace is either into killing Muslims (stops the boats innit) or believes the crap Israel's government and its allies dish out
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It's like you only read the first 7 words of TopCat's post
 
PTK said:
The SNP Motion was absolutely useless because it did not instuct the government to do anything. It did not demand that the government do something to facilitate a ceasefire. Thus all their lovely declarations amount to nothing.
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What gets me is that the UK & US have completely ignored the ICJ ruling by neglecting to do anything to support the ruling.
Its clear that Israel is ignoring the ICJ ruling. They're bombing Rafah.
Its a mystery as to when the UK government going to actively do something to show that they support the ICJ ruling. When will they demand a ceasefire. When will they start boycotts against Israel.

The UK is most definitely not representing the people in the UK. This is despicable.


teqniq said:
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Thank you for posting this.
 
Aladdin said:
What gets me is that the UK & US have completely ignored the ICJ ruling by neglecting to do anything to support the ruling.
Its clear that Israel is ignoring the ICJ ruling. They're bombing Rafah.
Its a mystery as to when the UK government going to actively do something to show that they support the ICJ ruling. When will they demand a ceasefire. When will they start boycotts against Israel.

The UK is most definitely not representing the people in the UK. This is despicable.



Thank you for posting this.
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The UK government is his majesty's government not the government of the people of the United Kingdom. To suggest otherwise, as you do, is to fall into the common error of believing the UK government is there to serve the people of the UK and represent their interests
 
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