Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
I don't understand why anyone cares about this. It's not like either side wants the war to stop or will listen to outsiders' opinions.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
Or just don't care like mynmar ,various insurgencys in africa ,hati and Sudan that just aren't as cool as gaza
PTK
Paul Kegan
Because, if the State of Israel did not receive military assistance and weapons from the UK and the USA and other states, its war effort would be hampered. The UK is complicit in the slaughter.
Isn't that a cop out? Don't the people vote these people in? Same as here?
Don't the MPs have a duty to represent the people in their constituencies who voted for them? I mean....its not as if the King actively selects politicians.
PTK
Paul Kegan
Yes, the UK is applying no pressure. That is why MPs should be demanding that the government ceases supporting the war effort of the State of Israel. This is why there should be Motion debated calling for an end of arms sales and military assistance, demanding that the government use all means at its disposal to push the State of Israel to agree to an immediate ceasefire,
deeyo
hurled unheard to this world.
& that might well be in violation of international law.
ska invita
back on the other side
The only meaningful action both the US and UK have taken since that day is cutting off aid to Palestine
Despicable.
PTK
Paul Kegan
If we had all taken that attitude thirty-odd years ago, the Poll Tax would still be in place.
klang
klang
They also started a bombing campaign
PTK
Paul Kegan
I think that it would be good if the SNP or the Labour Party put a Motion in Parliament demanding that the UK put pressure on the State of Israel to agree to an immediate ceasefire, but such a Motion would not pass, because the government has majority. I think that the debating of such a Motion could boost the movement against the War in the Gaza Strip.
What we need, of course, what could change government policy, is organised working class action. At the least, a boycott of exports of arms to the State of Israel. Better, a boycott of all trade with the State of Israel. How we achieve this as individuals who post on this forum, I do not know. Those who are active in the trades union movement ought to push for such a thing. Perhaps we ought to think about drawing up a motion to submit to union branches, calling for such a thing.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
It's a simple statement of fact. Every mp swears an oath of allegiance to the crown (bar the sf mps). None of them swear to represent the interests of their constituents. Sure, the king does not select politicians. And why does he need to, when they're all - almost all - prepared the rim the royal arse of their own volition?
Larry O'Hara
Well-Known Member
Where is the CV forger Marianna Spring when you need her
I guess it depends what you mean by Hamas.Owen Jones did what I thought was a good piece on this very question.
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ska invita
back on the other side
Anyone know when icj round two is? I thought they had a month....
ska invita
back on the other side
Fascinating...
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Not disagreeing with you here.
Its telling that there are mechanisms to oversee granting of export licences.
The Foreign Affairs Committee has been asking the government questions on this. Its a cross party committee
FCDO Foreign Commonwealth and Development Office.
DBT Department of Business and Trade
Looks to me that the government are not falling over backwards to find ways to halt arms sales.
It also looks to me that a British government if it really wants to could halt sales.
It does not need a specific extra motion to do this. The bureaucracy to do this is already in place.
The political will is not.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Governments often have the bureaucracy in place to do things. Its a matter of pressuring them to do the job they are supposed to be doing.
I see Cameron came out with a load of waffle to the Foreign Affairs Committee.
Reminds me of dealing with local government.
Often there are processes / bureaucracy set up to deal with issues.
If they were followed correctly then things like arms to Israel or any other country with human rights issues would be at least be properly and transparently scrutinised.
Instead the way central and form my experience local government work is that the bureaucracy is in place. Its a matter of making them do it.
These things often do not require new legislation.
I see Cameron came out with a load of waffle to the Foreign Affairs Committee.
Reminds me of dealing with local government.
Often there are processes / bureaucracy set up to deal with issues.
If they were followed correctly then things like arms to Israel or any other country with human rights issues would be at least be properly and transparently scrutinised.
Instead the way central and form my experience local government work is that the bureaucracy is in place. Its a matter of making them do it.
These things often do not require new legislation.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
That this does not happen is why people get so angry about central government and in my experience local government ( on other local bread and butter issues)
Then people are portrayed as being a problem by the governing classes
See excuses by Speaker of House of Commons for example for his actions. Its section of the electorate that are the problem not him
Then people are portrayed as being a problem by the governing classes
See excuses by Speaker of House of Commons for example for his actions. Its section of the electorate that are the problem not him
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teqniq
DisMembered
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UK halts aid to Gaza refugees following ICJ ruling
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
He's an airman and the distinction is an important one (I grew up as the son of a US airman).
Air Force man sets himself on fire outside Israeli embassy in Washington DC
A member of the US Air Force is in a critical condition after the incident in Washington on Sunday afternoon.
www.bbc.co.uk
Whenever I hear about acts of self-immolation, I'm reminded of Thich Quang Duc's self-immolation in 1963.
Thích Quảng Đức - Wikipedia
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Signal 11
also programmed for conversational english
Saw the video..
its on middle east eye.
Crying still.
Aaron kept screaming "free Palestine" as he was clearly burning to death.
The fucking policeman who arrives on the scene pulls a gun on him and keeps pointing the gun at him while one other man screams for help and a fire extinguisher. It takes way too long for them to get a fire extinguisher and another person arrives with a first aid box and a police woman walks slowly up with an extinguisher. The policeman keeps a gun pointed at Aaron all that time.
Aaron clearly states his intent at the beginning of his live stream. And kept calling "Free Palestine" as he was burning to death.
Extremely sad.
Extraordinarily courageous.
Ultimately I hope it does soom good but I suspect a lot of the world is numbed to horror and self sacrifice.
its on middle east eye.Crying still.
Aaron kept screaming "free Palestine" as he was clearly burning to death.
The fucking policeman who arrives on the scene pulls a gun on him and keeps pointing the gun at him while one other man screams for help and a fire extinguisher. It takes way too long for them to get a fire extinguisher and another person arrives with a first aid box and a police woman walks slowly up with an extinguisher. The policeman keeps a gun pointed at Aaron all that time.
Aaron clearly states his intent at the beginning of his live stream. And kept calling "Free Palestine" as he was burning to death.
Extremely sad.
Extraordinarily courageous.
Ultimately I hope it does soom good but I suspect a lot of the world is numbed to horror and self sacrifice.
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