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Senior Labour figures have told BBC Newsnight that the Commons speaker Sir Lyndsay Hoyle was left in no doubt that Labour was prepared to see him fall as speaker after the general election unless he called its Gaza amendment.
Newsnight has been told that it was made clear that Hoyle would need Labour votes to be re-elected after the general election and this might not be forthcoming.
That would effectively mean he would lose the speakership


  • And this is one of their own remember...
 
Cant understand the shite that is the British Parliament. What a fucking batch of wankers. Morally bankrupt people with not a shred of humanity between them all.

Call for a fucking ceasefire you decrepit shower of ignorant self serving cunts.

Fuck "politics "
Fuck "politicians"
Fuck "semantics"
30000 dead
100000 injured and a million at risk of starving.
 
Cant understand the shite that is the British Parliament. What a fucking batch of wankers. Morally bankrupt people with not a shred of humanity between them all.

Call for a fucking ceasefire you decrepit shower of ignorant self serving cunts.

Fuck "politics "
Fuck "politicians"
Fuck "semantics"
30000 dead
100000 injured and a million at risk of starving.

I've not previously understood folks that don't vote and yet express strong feelings against the established order. I do now, as this situation has also turned me off politics big time. It's all so predictably Party first and foremost, at the expense of everything else, even the greater good.
 
this is vaguely interesting i think
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interesting because the royals are imagined as staying out of politics
and also interesting because of the idea that the words of William Mountbatten-Windsor have any impact on anyone....
made the front pages of the Times, Daily Mail and Telegraph, so perhaps its messaging for a rightwing british audience?

It should perhaps be mentioned here that the late Queen never went to Israel, Prince Phillip went once (to visit his mother's grave), and the current King has only been three times as Prince of Wales (and never as an official royal visit). William was the first (only) one to go in 2018, in a visit that was mainly remembered for him having to shove Sara Netanyahu in the back at one point.
 
(Well known non-sectarian) Ian Paisley accuses SNP MP Steve Bonnar of being anti-semitic.

Bonnar complains.

Bonnar is then warned by the Speaker to watch what he says.

This is then followed by Tory Miriam Cates saying Hamas bears responsibility for every single death in the conflict.

Gotta love democracy.
 

Yes.

And noticed this:

  1. House Speaker Lindsay Hoyle chose both the government and the Labour Party's amendments to the motion, breaking convention on not selecting opposition amendments

Been reading the news a bit today and Labour have been presenting their amendment as the grown up one to vote for as compared to SNP.

Liz Nandy had gall to say the Labour amendment was the one to go for. And parliament should be above politics on this issue.

It's infuriating. Basically all the demos and lobbying of MPs has paid off. And Labour leadership have shifted their position.

They are trying to say this had nothing to do with it.

Im in England so can't vote SNP. On the way they have conducted themselves over Gaza I'd give them my vote this time around.

Labour and Tories have been appalling
 
As a politics nerd of many years, and as a genuine believer in politics and democracy, I've never witnessed such a disastrous, chaotic, embarrassing series of self-serving lunacy as I have today, particularly from 6 onwards. A motion brought on the Opposition Day in the name of the SNP has become a free for all bun fright about archane procedure.

I'd say it was childish, but children tend to learn from their mistakes.
 
I was at the demo on Saturday. After the Palestinian Ambassador spoke the Lutheran pastor from Bethlehem spoke. He is over here to speak to get support for Palestinians.

It appears his meeting with the Archbishop of Canterbury was cancelled because he spoke at the demo.

Appalling. I'm not religious but to my mind this is the worst sort of sectarian mentality by Church of England. He was here as representative of Palestinians. Whatever the Archbishop thinks of Corbyn should be set aside.

To add as I've said the Palestinian Ambassador said this is not a religious conflict. Christian and Muslim Palestinians are facing the brunt of IDF/ Israeli government collective punishment of Palestinians.


“It is so painful for us to see the Christian church turn a blind eye to what is happening, offering words of concern and compassion, but for so long they have been silent in the face of obvious war crimes. Churches seem paralysed, and they seem willing to sacrifice the Christian presence in Palestine for the sake of avoiding controversy and not criticising Israel. I have had so many difficult conversations with church leaders.
 
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Hours away from the biggest rebellion of his leadership, Starmer decided to intervene personally and visited Hoyle in his office behind the House of Commons chamber.
After a tense meeting, and with Labour MPs desperately stalling inside the chamber, Hoyle eventually agreed. As the Gaza debate started, the speaker announced he would call both the Labour and government amendments, prompting fury on the government and SNP benches and huge relief on the Labour ones. After a dramatic day in parliament, the speaker’s standing, at least on the government’s benches, had been left badly damaged. Starmer, however, had pulled off a political coup, eventually avoiding any rebellion at all after the government decided to pull out entirely from the evening’s votes. “We came minutes away from disaster,” said one senior Labour official. “Thank God for Lindsay Hoyle.”
 

Any party leadership that did this could never be trusted to form a government; the government already has an excessive amount of power with regards to scheduling but pushing the Speaker around in this way would quickly end what remains of Commons independence. It is exactly what people like Orban, and PiS did.
 
I was at the demo on Saturday. After the Palestinian Ambassador spoke the Lutheran pastor from Bethlehem spoke. He is over here to speak to get support for Palestinians.

It appears his meeting with the Archbishop of Canterbury was cancelled because he spoke at the demo.

Appalling. I'm not religious but to my mind this is the worst sort of sectarian mentality by Church of England. He was here as representative of Palestinians. Whatever the Archbishop thinks of Corbyn should be set aside.

To add as I've said the Palestinian Ambassador said this is not a religious conflict. Christian and Muslim Palestinians are facing the brunt of IDF/ Israeli government collective punishment of Palestinians.

wtf? Is Corbyn a terrorist now or something?

Last I looked, he was a long-standing member of the House of Commons.
 
I was at the demo on Saturday. After the Palestinian Ambassador spoke the Lutheran pastor from Bethlehem spoke. He is over here to speak to get support for Palestinians.

It appears his meeting with the Archbishop of Canterbury was cancelled because he spoke at the demo.

Appalling. I'm not religious but to my mind this is the worst sort of sectarian mentality by Church of England. He was here as representative of Palestinians. Whatever the Archbishop thinks of Corbyn should be set aside.

To add as I've said the Palestinian Ambassador said this is not a religious conflict. Christian and Muslim Palestinians are facing the brunt of IDF/ Israeli government collective punishment of Palestinians.


Welby's stance on this baffles me, but then again he did effectively tell people to not vote for Labour in 2019 so perhaps one should not be surprised.
 

Here is a sermon form the Lutheran Church minister. Must say its full on. I'm not a Christian but have found non conformists are strong on peoples rights.

The Church of England is the established church and so is part of the establishment.

The difference shows.

Thought CH1 might like to read this.

Im not an expert on the different protestant churches.

From his sermon:
This is not about "praying for peace", "raising concern", and sending support. Piety, says Isaiah, means active participation in loosing the bonds of injustice, undoing the straps of yoke, letting the oppressed go free, and breaking every yoke. This is active solidarity; this is about action.

THis kind of thing probably gave the head of our established church concerns about meeting him

Gaza is the moral compass of the world. We either side with the logic or power and ruthlessness, with the lords of war, and with those who justify and rationalize the killing of children. Or you side with the victims of oppression and injustice, and those who are besieged and dehumanized by the forces of Empire and colonization. It is really a simple choice: you either support a genocide, turn a blind eye or justify a genocide, or you cry out: No! Not in our name."
 
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