Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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teqniq
DisMembered
Streeting is getting nervous. He had a majority of less than 2,000 at the last election and wrt to the upcoming election this will be a large part of the reason why:
UK: British-Palestinian candidate set to challenge Labour's Wes Streeting
Members of local pro-Palestine group select Leanne Mohamad to challenge Labour shadow health secretary in east London in a general election
www.middleeasteye.net
teqniq
DisMembered
Absolute fucking clown.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I look forward to senior members of the Labour party being jostled and manhandled by demonstrators
Idiotic way to piss off even more potential Labour voters, whilst at the same time trying to appease them. Fucking clown.
Cloo
Banana for scale
I've absolutely thought this myself.
But yes, I think Israel's only future is to become more inclusive and that means obviously less exclusively Jewish, but I think it's the only way to go. I often say, Israel, of itself, is an amazing acheivement of a country with, on the whole, a very good quality of life massive innovation, amazing culture (and I'm sure Palestine has those latter two as well that could benefit from Israeli financial resources). And the Palestinian people should be able to share in this but whether they'd want to after all that has happened is another question and a fair one.
You can look to Germany as a place that I think has done really well in facing up to its wrongs and not hiding from them, and seeking a path to prevent Nazism happening again. But of course there are still some Jews down to my generation who will never go to Germany or have anything to do with anything German.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
There's a line of Black American thought isn't there that holds Black people can't be racist due to the power imbalances there. I think it's overreaching tbh, and overly US centred, but I think that bringing in the structural nature of it and the power imbalances is important. Through that lens Cloo 's elderly Israeli who hates Germans might be prejudiced but they're not meaningfully racist. The relationship between the Israeli state and the Palestinians though - you couldn't get much more so.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
I might say the same myself.
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Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
No. Consumer goods are going other routes.I hope that's not my new batteries on there
You do know the ships that are being attacked are carrying weapons? The excuse the US used to intervene with the houthis was because they attacked two MLL ships (Maersk Line Limited). Maersk Line Limited are a subsidiary under A.P.Møller Mærsk. A Danish shipping company.
Maersk Line Limited’s sole customer is the US military. Any vessel sailing under MLL is almost certainly muderous in operation. My guess they have tried hiding operations by switching operator in that region.
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Readjusts tinfoil hat”
Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
Oh and don’t ask Mærsk or IBM what they did in the war.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Only very small parts of those going to Palestine in early days wanted to make common cause with Palestinians.
Labour Zionism and the Histradrut opposed this. And once State of Israel was founded Labour Zionism was the mainstream. The Zionist Union the Histradrut opposed Jewish business employing Arabs for example. Labour Zionism which was the mainstream until late 60s was socialist. But not for Palestinians.
Someone like Moshe Machover ( Israeli born anti Zionist Jewish Marxist) is heir of this tradition. Of opposing Labour Zionism. They lost. People like him ended up leaving. Going to this country. Where dissident Israelis like him brought a new perspective on Israel to the left in UK.
Any Israeli born Jew who looks at the history of his own country and does not like it has few options.
Ilan Pappe career in academia basically was going no where due to his views on researching his own countries history.
Now a Professor of History in this country.
What I did do was a little review on is this short interesting book on a "post" Zionist Israel that argues for a different kind of Zionism.
Haifa Republic: A Democratic Future for Israel by Omri Boehm: 9781681373935 | PenguinRandomHouse.com: Books
A provocative argument for a new way of seeing Israel, Zionism, and the two-state solution. Haifa Republic: A Democratic Future for Israel is an urgent wake-up call. The philosopher Omri Boehm argues...
www.penguinrandomhouse.com
Have my issues with it but it puts a good case from a liberal Zionist perspective by an Isreali
Here is the post.
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Cloo might be interested in this book
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tommers
Busta Rhymes is an unstoppable movement
Has nobody said this is nonsense yet?
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
I do not know if you saw this article in Haaretz but it goes into this.
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Looking at the way history of Holocaust has been researched and seen it puts case that the lesson of the Holocaust is that given certain circumstances any otherwise ordinary person can end up participating in Genocide.
Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
Prove it ain’t dickhead.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Not pleasant reading however I'm really glad that the UN have highlighted this
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Been busy at work today.
The issue of Holocaust / Israel/ The ongoing case at ICJ.
Looking at this:
en.m.wikipedia.org
I cannot help feeling that some of this argument about Israel being accused of Genocide means what happened gets lost.
Having read a lot of the history quite frankly I do not have anything good to say about Zionism.
The sooner Zionism is gone the better.
One can argue whether what is happening now and what has happened in this past is ethnic cleansing or genocide.
Its definitely ethnic cleansing
Listen to any Palestinian or someone of Palestinian descent and they have nothing positive to say about Israel.
Was listening to interview on Novara media. Journalist from middle class Gaza family. Now living here. Basically secular "moderate". Says Zionism stole his peoples land, that this country has something to answer for in bringing in the Balfour Declaration and that Palestinians should have right to return. That Balfour and this country meant that unlike others Palestinians did not have right to self determination. That Holocaust was not the fault of Palestinians
This is standard view across Palestinians whatever their political allegiance are.
Like the Palestinian Ambassador said at demo. This is not a religious war.
From what I read on Zionism and what I see now there is no recognition by Israel that Nakba was a human rights violation and a human rights crime.
Secondly WW2 and Holocaust might perhaps give reason for 48
This does not however justify 67 and the ongoing incremental ethnic cleansing of the remaining Palestinian land into new settlements or what Ilan Pappe calls a prison for Palestinians. This is down to Zionism as a political project.
The issue of Holocaust / Israel/ The ongoing case at ICJ.
Looking at this:
Palestinian genocide accusation - Wikipedia
I cannot help feeling that some of this argument about Israel being accused of Genocide means what happened gets lost.
Having read a lot of the history quite frankly I do not have anything good to say about Zionism.
The sooner Zionism is gone the better.
One can argue whether what is happening now and what has happened in this past is ethnic cleansing or genocide.
Its definitely ethnic cleansing
Listen to any Palestinian or someone of Palestinian descent and they have nothing positive to say about Israel.
Was listening to interview on Novara media. Journalist from middle class Gaza family. Now living here. Basically secular "moderate". Says Zionism stole his peoples land, that this country has something to answer for in bringing in the Balfour Declaration and that Palestinians should have right to return. That Balfour and this country meant that unlike others Palestinians did not have right to self determination. That Holocaust was not the fault of Palestinians
This is standard view across Palestinians whatever their political allegiance are.
Like the Palestinian Ambassador said at demo. This is not a religious war.
From what I read on Zionism and what I see now there is no recognition by Israel that Nakba was a human rights violation and a human rights crime.
Secondly WW2 and Holocaust might perhaps give reason for 48
This does not however justify 67 and the ongoing incremental ethnic cleansing of the remaining Palestinian land into new settlements or what Ilan Pappe calls a prison for Palestinians. This is down to Zionism as a political project.
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teqniq
DisMembered
I keep thinking about this from Streeting which you quoted part of, I think it is worth quoting the whole thing, for context as it gives much more of a measure of the man:
So, Streeting considers party politics (it is of course, yet again the SNP who are bringing the call for a ceasefire vote to the house) a great deal more important than concerns for the humanitarian disaster that is happening in Gaza. What an absolute scumbag.
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Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
Maersk Line Limited is different to Maersk Line.
I've sent him an email. Arseholes like this need to know that their words have consequences.
Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
Why are you so confident in your opinion?
Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
Maersk Line, Limited
tommers
Busta Rhymes is an unstoppable movement
I was laughing that you went straight to dickhead tbh. This ship isn't registered to MLL is it? It's dodgy that it supposedly contains "fertiliser" and is going to some armed forces place in Bulgaria though.
mojo pixy
...שלא נמצא בשמאל
OK, in that case do you think a Houthi missile shooter can tell which ships are 'Maersk Line' and which are 'Maersk Line Limited'? Or that they care?
Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
Yes. It’s very easy using ais boat navigation information which is freely available on the internet.
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