Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion

[Pickman's model]

Call it what you want but the Palestinians will never accept the Jews having a state there. What part of that is too difficult to understand. I mean they openly admit it there on their own and Arab media.

The hamas leader recently on the news interview said that they will say to the world that they want a two state solution and then after getting it will fight on forever the whole country.

I know you will say that they don't have represent the Palestinians buy that is what you they pretty much all say. It is a religious war. Problem is that many in West like you struggle to understand that mindset.

Of course if the zionists hadn't had a policy of sidelining secular Palestinians and helping out hamas then we wouldn't be where we are today, would we. If the zionists hadn't spent decades making Palestinian lives a misery the chances for peace would be rather better. The zionists bear a great responsibility for where we are, and unless you want this dismal conflict to lead to a regional or even wider war then some sort of positive suggestion to diminish the conflict if not extinguish it all together would be good. But you're not really about peace, are you.

 

[Pickman's model]

I can well believe that you volunteer for free.

I can't believe they accepted his offer

 

[Pickman's model]

Lol, you really are mental. You think that anyone who has a different view of the conflict is paid to write on forums. You realise how pathetic that sounds. Gets your tin foil hat off.

I don't think anyone would pay for the drivel you've posted here

 

[danny40]

I don't think anyone would pay for the drivel you've posted here

Have you read your rubbish responses above? Zionists this and Zionists that, it's all Israelis fault wah wah. Get a grip.

The Palestinians have always spurned any opportunities for peace so you can delude yourself but they are responsible for where they are now.

 

[danny40]

I can't believe they accepted his offer

Who pays for your to post your drivel, Iran maybe?

 

[Pickman's model]

Have you read your rubbish responses above? Zionists this and Zionists that, it's all Israelis fault wah wah. Get a grip.

The Palestinians have always spurned any opportunities for peace so you can delude yourself but they are responsible for where they are now.

Beyond chutzpah

 

[Pickman's model]

Who pays for your to post your drivel, Iran maybe?

Not at all. Unlike you I don't shill for a regime

 

[Pickman's model]

Have you read your rubbish responses above? Zionists this and Zionists that, it's all Israelis fault wah wah. Get a grip.

The Palestinians have always spurned any opportunities for peace so you can delude yourself but they are responsible for where they are now.

Have a read of this https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/ and then tell me the Israeli government bears no responsibility for where things have gotten to

 

[danny40]

Not at all. Unlike you I don't shill for a regime

I can express my opinions without being a shill. The level of conspiracy in here is astonishing. You all shout racism but then you throw insults to anyone who is pro Israel. Total hypocricy.

 

[danny40]

Have a read of this https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/ and then tell me the Israeli government bears no responsibility for where things have gotten to

I will read it later, but yes, Netanyahu definitely bears some responsibility for Hamas being where they are now. I don't claim Israel have not made errors.

But that is a left wing newspaper and they also are deluded regarding a two state solution being able to bring about some sort of peace.

 

[Dystopiary]

Platty Sage?

 

[TopCat]

I am not a shill and no one is going to pay me to post on this forum. That is the problem with you guys, anyone who is pro Israel is a Hasbara shill, a racist or whatever you like to say. It's honestly pathectic.

How about right wing wanker?

 

[teqniq]

Grim. Genocide Joe and friends could pull the plug on this anytime they wished:

‘Our last stop is Rafah’: trapped Palestinians await Israeli onslaught

Refugees crammed into the border city face a terrifying choice: stay for the expected attack, or flee back north through a war zone

www.theguardian.com

 

[mojo pixy]

ffs I take one day off and look what happens

Please stop with the 'hasbara' shit though, I've been accused of that frequently in online arguments and it's bollocks, even tim has been accused of it on this very thread, it's a stupid, meaningless slur.

But now I'm backing away again. Sorry not sorry.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Please stop with the 'hasbara' shit though, I've heen accused of that frequently in online arguments years and it's bollocks, even tim has been accused of it on this very thread, it's a stupid, meaningless slur.

danny40 has turned up here specifically to engage with this thread. Hasn't posted anywhere else. I don't assume good faith.

 

[teqniq]

ffs I take one day off and look what happens

Please stop with the 'hasbara' shit though, I've heen accused of that frequently in online arguments years and it's bollocks, even tim has been accused of it on this very thread, it's a stupid, meaningless slur.

But now I'm backing away again. Sorry not sorry.

I wouldn't dream of accusing you of anything of the sort. Pretty much all of your posts have been very informative and well-reasoned. Danny boy on the other hand.....

 

[mojo pixy]

danny40 has turned up here specifically to engage with this thread. Hasn't posted anywhere else. I don't assume good faith.

Nobody ever assumes good faith with new posters. Ever.

OK not 'nobody', but it's regular as clockwork.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Grim. Genocide Joe and friends could pull the plug on this anytime they wished:

‘Our last stop is Rafah’: trapped Palestinians await Israeli onslaught

Refugees crammed into the border city face a terrifying choice: stay for the expected attack, or flee back north through a war zone

www.theguardian.com

Full steam ahead!



(MEE 2 mins ago)

 

[Raheem]

Noticed that Netanyahu has gone from wanting to "destroy Hamas" to wanting to "beat Hamas". Still not really an achievable aim, but somewhat less clear what it means.

 

[klang]

Danny asked us to consider an opinion he hasn't even stated..

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Noticed that Netanyahu has gone from wanting to "destroy Hamas" to wanting to "beat Hamas". Still not really an achievable aim, but somewhat less clear what it means.

Now ‘collapse’

Either way, civilians at Rafah are fucked.

 

[teqniq]

Squeaky bum time for the US and UK:

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

Well what do you think would happen if Millions of Palestinians were able to vote in the elections then?

Hi Danny I’m Ben

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

Ah the argument.

How's that going for you, danny? Winning friends and influence?

He’s on the bankroll. No one does this shit for free.

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

Saying Palestinians are "incapable" of a thing (eg. living peacefully alongside Jews) or are "abnormally young" (as a rather laughable euphemism for breeding too fast) are specific slurs on an ethno-national group. I suppose if you'd prefer to get technical about it you could say it's not racism in the same sense as anti-Semitism isn't, but that'd be rather splitting hairs on what kind of horrible prick you are, wouldn't it.

Perhaps you should try applying the same lines to other ethnic groups and see how they look.

The way to translate pro Israeli propaganda is look at their verbs and adjectives to reveal the truth about what they are doing.

 

[8ball]

Noticed that Netanyahu has gone from wanting to "destroy Hamas" to wanting to "beat Hamas". Still not really an achievable aim, but somewhat less clear what it means.

Basically the same aim they have had all along - to remove Hamas from the list of significant threats.

 

[Raheem]

Basically the same aim they have had all along - to remove Hamas from the list of significant threats.

Bombing civilians, as always, a failsafe way undermining support for an enemy.

Hamas should rename themselves "Shamas" and then say "There you go, we're defeated".

 

[belboid]

Plenty of people do this shit for free. Telling someone they are a state asset is really quite fucking stupid (unless there is fucking good evidence).

Pieces of shit like Netanyahu and Smotrich come about because people support them. The utter hatred of Palestinians espoused by our new member is all too common and has grown much more common over my lifetime. Why would they need some shill to come on some fairly obscure message board to spout drivel badly? That argument gives far too much power to the state, a belief that they can be everywhere and do anything. Bollocks to that.

 

[Gramsci]

On this thread I get tired of people complaining about "Hasbara" comments as I get tired of it being implied a poster like me is possibly anti Semitic and / or putting posters off from posting here.

Can both sides give it a rest please.

 

[Gramsci]

I'm not surprised someone like Danny has popped up to wind people up here.

It goes with the territory.