Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion

[Pickman's model]

"the worst incident in Gaza since October 7"

IDF says 21 soldiers killed in the worst incident in Gaza since October 7

Hamas terrorists fire anti-tank missile at buildings rigged with explosives near border with Israel ahead of demolition in efforts to clear area from threats to Israeli communities; fire triggers mass explosion, killing troops

www.ynetnews.com

depends on your pov

 

[TopCat]

"the worst incident in Gaza since October 7"

IDF says 21 soldiers killed in the worst incident in Gaza since October 7

Hamas terrorists fire anti-tank missile at buildings rigged with explosives near border with Israel ahead of demolition in efforts to clear area from threats to Israeli communities; fire triggers mass explosion, killing troops

www.ynetnews.com

Hoisted by their own petard.

 

[Gramsci]

"the worst incident in Gaza since October 7"

IDF says 21 soldiers killed in the worst incident in Gaza since October 7

Hamas terrorists fire anti-tank missile at buildings rigged with explosives near border with Israel ahead of demolition in efforts to clear area from threats to Israeli communities; fire triggers mass explosion, killing troops

www.ynetnews.com

The excuse of Hamas using buildings is used every time IDF blow up buildings.

They did it to a university recently.

Prompting the Americans to ask for clarification on who authorized this.

It's systematic destruction of infrastructure that enables a Palestinian community to live in Gaza.

This isn't new. In 48 Zionist militias ethnically cleansing areas of Palestine routinely blew up villages after population was expelled. Stops them coming back.

In 48 they used up so much explosives they ran out and started to use bull dozers.

Blowing stuff up is long tradition of IDF going back to its forerunners the Haganah.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/idf-says-it-is-probing-demolition-of-campus-in-gaza-last-week-after-us-voiced-ire/amp/

 

[teqniq]

That was great. She totally owned it.

Is there any place else we can see it?

here:

 

[Bannerrefuggee]

Thanks, no one needs that x shit.

 

[teqniq]

Barbaric scumbags:

Stripped, Beaten or Vanished: Israel’s Treatment of Gaza Detainees Raises Alarm

 

[Duncan2]

Would be interested to see any recent polls gauging what support there is in the UK for what is being done by the IDF in Gaza and the West Bank.Sunak was telling Conservative Friends of Israel just yesterday that " we stand with Israel".At this point no we absolutely don't.GE can't come soon enough.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Would be interested to see any recent polls gauging what support there is in the UK for what is being done by the IDF in Gaza and the West Bank.Sunak was telling Conservative Friends of Israel just yesterday that " we stand with Israel".At this point no we absolutely don't.GE can't come soon enough.

It was more than 70% in favour of a ceasefire a couple of months ago. I can't imagine that number has dropped. It's not just the UK, of course, populations across Europe are far more pro-Palestinian than their governments.

But given that Starmer is in lockstep with the govt on this - and has been even more pro-Israel at some points - I'm not sure what difference a GE will make.

An ICJ court ruling ordering measures to avoid genocide would provide a timely boost. Shame the fuckers into acknowledging the slaughter.

 

[teqniq]

This opinion piece from Haaretz.... I don't know where to begin, except to say I fear that ship has sailed:

The Israeli Army Must Act Before Some of Its Soldiers Turn Into Lawless Gangs

 

[Gramsci]

Would be interested to see any recent polls gauging what support there is in the UK for what is being done by the IDF in Gaza and the West Bank.Sunak was telling Conservative Friends of Israel just yesterday that " we stand with Israel".At this point no we absolutely don't.GE can't come soon enough.

https://www.map.org.uk/news/archive/post/1548-opinion-poll-shows-overwhelming-british-public-support-for-an-immediate-ceasefire-in-gaza

This was done 20th 21st December

71percent either definitely or probably should support immediate ceasefire

Also noticed 30percent disapprove of Labour party handling of the conflict and only nine percent approve. Interesting finding as Starmer has staked his foreign policy on standing by Israel/ following closely what Biden does/. So behaving like a responsible adult unlike the Corbyn years. It hasnt gone down to well with joe public. They aren't impressed.

 

[Duncan2]

https://www.map.org.uk/news/archive/post/1548-opinion-poll-shows-overwhelming-british-public-support-for-an-immediate-ceasefire-in-gaza

This was done 20th 21st December

71percent either definitely or probably should support immediate ceasefire

Also noticed 30percent disapprove of Labour party handling of the conflict and only nine percent approve. Interesting finding as Starmer has staked his foreign policy on standing by Israel/ following closely what Biden does/. So behaving like a responsible adult unlike the Corbyn years. It hasnt gone down to well with joe public. They aren't impressed.

Thanks Gramsci

 

[Gramsci]

Would be interested to see any recent polls gauging what support there is in the UK for what is being done by the IDF in Gaza and the West Bank.Sunak was telling Conservative Friends of Israel just yesterday that " we stand with Israel".At this point no we absolutely don't.GE can't come soon enough.

In the poll I just posted up 17 percent approve of the government dealing with this issue and 29 percent disapprove. Surprisingly more approve the Tory government than approve the Labour party way they dealt with this war.

 

[agricola]

In the poll I just posted up 17 percent approve of the government dealing with this issue and 29 percent disapprove. Surprisingly more approve the Tory government than approve the Labour party way they dealt with this war.

The Yougov tracker poll has 19% of the public (up from a fairly consistent 10-11% before the October 7th attack) whose sympathies are with Israel, so these are probably all the same cohort of people.

I can also see why more people approve of the Tory government response than Labours; I mean they've never said they supported water and power being cut off.

 

[Gramsci]

Also in the poll the first question is

Which side in the Israeli/ Palestine conflict do you sympathise with more.

On party voting Labour voters 6% sympathise with Israeli side and 33% Palestine side.

82percent of labour voters support immediate ceasefire.

Doesn't surprise me. So why is Starmer winding up his own voters with his opposing ceasefire and I stand by Israel line?

Breakdown by regions in England and London is way higher in supporting Palestinians than other regions 31percent

 

[Gramsci]

Map showing those who support SA legal action against Israel and those who do not.

Shows a North South divide. And also South America gives a lot of support.

UK is part of the minority who oppose the action.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Doesn't surprise me. So why is Starmer winding up his own voters with his opposing ceasefire and I stand by Israel line?

His instinct is always to side with bullies and aggressors. It's the standard playground strategy of abject cowards.

 

[mojo pixy]

here:

Thanks, no one needs that x shit.

Bill Browder looks as if he's quite enjoying that.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Doesn't surprise me. So why is Starmer winding up his own voters with his opposing ceasefire and I stand by Israel line?

He hates his own voters.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

He hates his own voters.

And loves the Tory voters.

 

[Fedayn]

 

[littlebabyjesus]

They're pretty mixed results. Strong support for ceasefire, but a chunk of people think Israel is trying to minimise civilian casualties. A good third don't know for most of the questions, but that tracker shows some don't knows turning into pro-Israel since 7 Oct. I guess the crude propaganda has worked on a few people.

 

[teqniq]

This is just disgusting:



Meanwhile:

 

[magneze]

ICJ to deliver initial ruling at 12pm GMT on Friday.

Middle East crisis: UN court to deliver Israel genocide ruling on Friday; Houthis fire three missiles at Red Sea ships, says US – as it happened

Ruling on request for provisional measures submitted by South Africa to come this week; White House says one missed and the other two were shot down

www.theguardian.com

 

[planetgeli]

ICJ to deliver initial ruling at 12pm GMT on Friday.

Middle East crisis: UN court to deliver Israel genocide ruling on Friday; Houthis fire three missiles at Red Sea ships, says US – as it happened

Ruling on request for provisional measures submitted by South Africa to come this week; White House says one missed and the other two were shot down

www.theguardian.com

Final ruling, July 2031.

Impact on what's happening now? Fuck all.

 

[Raheem]

Presumably the ICJ will be thrown out of the Labour party on Saturday.

 

[planetgeli]

The first line was a joke Pickman's model. Though the best jokes have an element of truth in them.

You may wish to change your wow to a like (or scrub it entirely if you think I'm being too cynical).

 

[Cloo]

Wonder what the 'most moral army in the world', 'all stuff painting Israel in a bad light is just lies and manipulation' crew have to say about an ITV cameraman capturing the shooting of this manifestly non-dangerous Palestinian man waving a white flag in a supposed safe zone?

https://www.itv.com/news/2024-01-23...ing-white-flag-in-gaza-safe-zone-is-shot-dead

 

[Pickman's model]

Wonder what the 'most moral army in the world', 'all stuff painting Israel in a bad light is just lies and manipulation' crew have to say about an ITV cameraman capturing the shooting of this manifestly non-dangerous Palestinian man waving a white flag in a supposed safe zone?

https://www.itv.com/news/2024-01-23...ing-white-flag-in-gaza-safe-zone-is-shot-dead

In every action the idf prove how truly they are post-heroic

 

[agricola]

Wonder what the 'most moral army in the world', 'all stuff painting Israel in a bad light is just lies and manipulation' crew have to say about an ITV cameraman capturing the shooting of this manifestly non-dangerous Palestinian man waving a white flag in a supposed safe zone?

https://www.itv.com/news/2024-01-23...ing-white-flag-in-gaza-safe-zone-is-shot-dead

I especially like the way the IDF statement claimed that the reporting was "libelous". Which part?

 

[Cloo]

I especially like the way the IDF statement claimed that the reporting was "libelous". Which part?

If you don't want people reporting on you doing bad things, don't do the bad things.