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Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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You cannot be neutral on a moving train..
Raheem
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Why?
Within the metaphor, I mean. What is it about moving trains that prevents neutrality?
PTK
Paul Kegan
Certainly, the person on the moving train and the person on the platform will not agree about simultaneity. I don’t know how this stops you being neutral.
PTK
Paul Kegan
Thanks. I found this
"Zinn told his students that he did not “pretend to an objectivity that was neither possible nor desirable. ‘You can’t be neutral on a moving train,’ I would tell them. . . . Events are already moving in certain deadly directions, and to be neutral means to accept that.”"
You Can't Be Neutral on a Moving Train: A Personal History - Zinn Education Project
Book — Non-fiction. By Howard Zinn. 2002, updated in 2018 with a foreword by Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor. 232 pages. An engaging memoir by Howard Zinn which offers his life history in the context of the politics and events of his lifetime.
Raheem
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Doesn't work though. There are definitely cases and respects where being neutral on a moving train is more than plausible. Zinn's example is very specific, but I think for example, that if I invited him on a magical mystery tour by train, he would understand the need to be neutral about what the destination is, and to keep any doubts to himself.
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
Nowhere has he said that killing or maiming Palestinians is ok. He said the opposite ffs.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
If someone just killed your mum and raped your sister; then ran into a house to which you controlled the electricity and water ... what would you do?
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
That was so sad. Fuck.
PTK
Paul Kegan
Yes, but that is not a valid analogy.
8ball
AV REFUGEES WELCOME
Is there any stated point to this? Like are Israel expecting this to lead to the release of hostages or something like that?
N_igma
Epistemic nuisance
If they ran into a house which contained a hundred innocent people I would not turn off the electricity or water. Collective punishment is a war crime under international law.
Flavour
hang the bankers
I think cutting off the water will damage public support for Israel even within Israel itself - - if it doesn't force Hamas to surrender. If hamas surrender and give up the hostages after a few days then you can say cutting the water off was a successful tactic. But if it does not achieve that aim, and hamas continue fighting, then it's not a great look really.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
A fantastic incentive for rapists and murderers to assimilate into civilian areas.
N_igma
Epistemic nuisance
They’re in a literal open air prison. Where are they meant to go? The terrorist part of Gaza? Stop being a twat.
8ball
AV REFUGEES WELCOME
Because normally they’d be living in the clearly signposted “Rapist And Murderer Bunking House and Day Centre”?
Raheem
Well-Known Member
Presumably, we have to imagine this is somehow a deadly situation, for the analogy to work.
Anyway, it depends who else is in the house, surely?
(eta: I can see both these points have been made above. Ok so now they've been made twice.)
8ball
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It’s an extremely silly analogy that can’t be made to work. Best just forget it.
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Plastic Paddy
How about not making things worse by raping and abducting children to deliberately make things worse as a political strategy?
Stop being a twat.
PTK
Paul Kegan
Perhaps you should email your advice to Hamas.
mojo pixy
שיר חדש
That's not really true, it's 'largely' mediterranean scrub, with a lot of hills and mountains. A lot of the far south is flat desert, but the north isn't at all flat, or even desert.
That's not really true, it has hills of course, also mountains in the south and along the north coast, but there's a wide flat bit in the middle.
They genuinely aren't and I don't know why you're insisting on this point (it is less awful than death tolls I suppose.)
8ball
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Raheem
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Plastic Paddy
Lack of Sanity or Experience, is usually pretty apt for most people who insist on broadcasting where they’ve studied.
8ball
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Guess it depends on relevance, I don’t know which particular exchange you’re talking about.
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