Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion

[Pickman's model]

There's a genuine surprise. Something about hurrah for the cokeheads was what I expected

 

[agricola]

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There's a genuine surprise. Something about hurrah for the cokeheads was what I expected

the second headline has a tinge of that - I mean, the Palestinian supporters are not arriving at the Cenotaph and nor are the protests Israel-Hamas

 

[Knotted]

Yeh maybe you could say a mite more about why you thought it worth sharing. You did think it worth sharing I suppose

I think there is an interest in the Israeli public mood. People perhaps expressing hope about anti-Netanyahu sentiment. I don't think that hope is warranted.

 

[Pickman's model]

I think there is an interest in the Israeli public mood. People perhaps expressing hope about anti-Netanyahu sentiment. I don't think that hope is warranted.

Thank you

 

[Dystopiary]

Get off the fence ffs

Shame the hypocrite is an apologist for the Kremlin and Assad.

 

[Dogsauce]

Shame the hypocrite is an apologist for the Kremlin and Assad.

On Twitter etc. there’s been a lot of sharing of footage of Assad’s atrocities with claims that it is Gaza footage, especially by people who were cheerleaders for Assad in the past. Never knowingly undersold in the dishonesty stakes.

 

[scalyboy]

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There's a genuine surprise. Something about hurrah for the cokeheads was what I expected

I can't keep up with all this weirdness - first the Met are revealed to be snowflake lefties by Braverman, then the Fail online goes woke ('Thugs Attack Cenotaph Cops'), and now I see 'Tommy Robinson' has outed himself inna LGBT+ style, doing a runner in a Pride-branded taxi.

Whatever next?

 

[Larry O'Hara]

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Historically fascists sympathised with the Arabs as opposing Jews (from their perspective). Main UK fascist group Patriotic Alternative was very clear fascists shouldnt attend. Robinson has recruited a lot of dimwit inbreds to do Israel’s bidding in effect. Wonder if Regev has him on direct dial?

 

[Larry O'Hara]

I can't keep up with all this weirdness - first the Met are revealed to be snowflake lefties by Braverman, then the Fail online goes woke ('Thugs Attack Cenotaph Cops'), and now I see 'Tommy Robinson' has outed himself inna LGBT+ style, doing a runner in a Pride-branded taxi.

Whatever next?

Tommy Robinson doing a runner never a surprise. Though wonder if Nicky Crane’s ghost was driving it?

 

[Larry O'Hara]

On Twitter etc. there’s been a lot of sharing of footage of Assad’s atrocities with claims that it is Gaza footage, especially by people who were cheerleaders for Assad in the past. Never knowingly undersold in the dishonesty stakes.

So maybe Hamas are putting all this out from their hi-tech bunkers beneath Gaza hospitals?

 

[PTK]

Tommy Robinson doing a runner never a surprise. Though wonder if Nicky Crane’s ghost was driving it?

Nicky Crane? I had forgotten about that person.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

Nicky Crane? I had forgotten about that person.

For younger readers this BM/B&H thug was caught up with by AFA while escaping from a far right demo…before he died of course

 

[agricola]

For younger readers this BM/B&H thug was caught up with by AFA while escaping from a far right demo…before he died of course

escaping a far right demo by dying would be a little extreme

 

[scalyboy]

For younger readers this BM/B&H thug was caught up with by AFA while escaping from a far right demo…before he died of course

Died from an AIDS-related illness IIRC.
There’s some info on him in Murray Healy’s Gay Skins; apparently he was a regular on London’s gay pub / club circuit - but told people he was only there as security (this sounds a bit like the Vito storyline from The Sopranos, but I’m assured is true). He came out eventually, but I can’t remember whether he repudiated his violent fash worldview.

Gay Skins is a v good read IMHO, some great interviews with original c.1969 gay skinheads (who weren’t necessarily far right, and had much better dress sense than the c.1980 bonehead revival).
I see from the above Amazon link (sorry) that there’s a new edition (I’ve got the 1996 first ed. paperback), £2.99 Kindle!

Was it Nicky Crane or Ian Stuart whose photo was ‘accidentally’ used by Garry Bushell’s for one of his execrable Oi! compilation album covers?

 

[agricola]

Pro-Israel groups target US lawmakers critical of Gaza war with attack ads

Rashida Tlaib and other Democratic members of ‘the Squad’ have been targeted but also a libertarian Republican

www.theguardian.com

 

[scalyboy]

Tommy Robinson doing a runner never a surprise. Though wonder if Nicky Crane’s ghost was driving it?

Larry O'Hara Could Yaxley-Lennon be a Branch or Five 'asset'? (serious question BTW)
So far, going by today's events, he seems to have managed to discredit the far right by stirring the shit, getting a load of fash to turn up and attack the police, then making a hasty departure. 'My work here is done'?
For law-abiding Fail readers who are pro-police, the contrast between the behaviour of his pissed-up mob and that of the Palestine marchers could appear quite stark...

 

[Ranbay]

 

[Larry O'Hara]

Larry O'Hara Could Yaxley-Lennon be a Branch or Five 'asset'? (serious question BTW)
So far, going by today's events, he seems to have managed to discredit the far right by stirring the shit, getting a load of fash to turn up and attack the police, then making a hasty departure. 'My work here is done'?
For law-abiding Fail readers who are pro-police, the contrast between the behaviour of his pissed-up mob and that of the Palestine marchers could appear quite stark...

That is a good question: he has been under the cosh from sections of the state in the past, and his spat with Hope Not Hate (who are 5) is real. There are other options: he is agrifter conning money out of mugs, but I agree his stunt today was clearly manufactured. I will analyse him in depth at some point but today certainly reeks of a set up.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

Died from an AIDS-related illness IIRC.
There’s some info on him in Murray Healy’s Gay Skins; apparently he was a regular on London’s gay pub / club circuit - but told people he was only there as security (this sounds a bit like the Vito storyline from The Sopranos, but I’m assured is true). He came out eventually, but I can’t remember whether he repudiated his violent fash worldview.

Gay Skins is a v good read IMHO, some great interviews with original c.1969 gay skinheads (who weren’t necessarily far right, and had much better dress sense than the c.1980 bonehead revival).
I see from the above Amazon link (sorry) that there’s a new edition (I’ve got the 1996 first ed. paperback), £2.99 Kindle!

Was it Nicky Crane or Ian Stuart whose photo was ‘accidentally’ used by Garry Bushell’s for one of his execrable Oi! compilation album covers?

It was Crane and yes the night club stuff is 100% true

 

[scalyboy]

I will analyse him in depth at some point but today certainly reeks of a set up.

Look forward to it; a future NFtB issue maybe?

 

[Larry O'Hara]

Look forward to it; a future NFtB issue maybe?

Yes, we havelots of other stuff planned, next issue 60% done

 

[Idris2002]

So. Al-shifa hospital. Israeli snipers are targeting it, or so Doctors without borders say. The tweet I read claimed a quadriplegic was shot in his bed.

It's all too plausible. Of course, pro-Israel people are claiming it was Hamas.

What's your point, caller? Not sure I have one, really. Except that this is going to be dwarfed by newer horrors to come.

 

[weltweit]

I saw a video of the hospital which scanned around multiple patients on beds and on the floor and then at the last showed a medic appearing to be trying to get shrapnel out of the bloodied legs of a small child almost certainly without anaesthetic.

Can't recall exactly where I saw it, could even have been on this thread.

But once seen, can't be unseen.

 

[RhymnRzn]

Can't recognize the rogue state, I would not like to take so much as a thread to a shoelatchet from these warmongers

 

[Ranbay]

 

[Johnny Vodka]

FFS. Shows where some in America are at.

Outrage grows after ‘chilling call for genocide’ by Florida Republican

Calls to censure Michelle Salzman, who said, ‘All of them’ when Democrat asked: ‘How many [dead Palestinians] will be enough?’

www.theguardian.com

 

[jeff_leigh]

Died from an AIDS-related illness IIRC.
There’s some info on him in Murray Healy’s Gay Skins; apparently he was a regular on London’s gay pub / club circuit - but told people he was only there as security (this sounds a bit like the Vito storyline from The Sopranos, but I’m assured is true). He came out eventually, but I can’t remember whether he repudiated his violent fash worldview.

Gay Skins is a v good read IMHO, some great interviews with original c.1969 gay skinheads (who weren’t necessarily far right, and had much better dress sense than the c.1980 bonehead revival).
I see from the above Amazon link (sorry) that there’s a new edition (I’ve got the 1996 first ed. paperback), £2.99 Kindle!

Was it Nicky Crane or Ian Stuart whose photo was ‘accidentally’ used by Garry Bushell’s for one of his execrable Oi! compilation album covers?

Yes, It was Nicky Crane on the Album, He was actually in Parkhurst HMP when the story was published in the Tabloids and had to go on protective custody due to threats from other prisoners

 

[Protag]

It's not worth thinking about Tommy Robinson that much - he is insignificant thug who just echoes standard stuff about cutting taxes and Muslims. I would worry about slimeballs like Douglas Murray a bit more.

 

[RedRedRose]

FFS. Shows where some in America are at.

Outrage grows after ‘chilling call for genocide’ by Florida Republican

Calls to censure Michelle Salzman, who said, ‘All of them’ when Democrat asked: ‘How many [dead Palestinians] will be enough?’

www.theguardian.com

They are trying to outdo each other...this one compares Palestinians to Nazis

“I would encourage the other side to not so lightly throw around the idea of innocent Palestinian civilians, as frequently said,” he added. “I don’t think we would so lightly throw around the term ‘innocent Nazi civilians’ during World War II.”

Republican who compared Palestinian civilians to Nazis faces censure vote

Congressman called effort ‘idiotic’

au.news.yahoo.com

 

[Larry O'Hara]

It's not worth thinking about Tommy Robinson that much - he is insignificant thug who just echoes standard stuff about cutting taxes and Muslims. I would worry about slimeballs like Douglas Murray a bit more.

There is a continuum, and both perform a function. That Robinson can mobilise 1,500 or so at short notice on the streets is an issue.