Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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He borders Stamford Hill and has a football team with a lot of Jewish fans in his constituency too. Not that that necessarily translates into support for the Israeli government but must be a bit of a tightrope.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
The Hasidic Jews of Stamford Hill oppose the very idea of Israel, of course.
PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
Comprehensive high school 1991-96 here and absolutely no Irish history whatsoever.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Not sure that figure is particularly relevant, tbh.
I'm one of the 83% of his constituents* who isn't Muslim, and I'm none too impressed with his performance either.
* assuming your figure is correct which I have no idea about
I heard a British transplant surgeon who's just returned from Gaza being interviewed yesterday.
The kidney transplants he was meant to be performing were cancelled and drugs were running out and those and other patients would die as a result but wouldn't be counted in the official numbers as casualties of Israeli action.
He also recounted treating serious casualties with nothing more than a first aid kit.
Gramsci
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Fuck you Mahmood Abbas
In the midst of Israel’s assault, people of Gaza still don’t want the PA
On the streets of the besieged strip, there appears to be little appetite for a Palestinian Authority government.www.aljazeera.com
It's an interesting snapshot of people views.
What comes across:
People want to be able to live in normal dignified way. Which years of military occupation and blockade stopped.
They see what happens in West Bank and don't trust the PLO/ Fatah to take over in Gaza
Which reminds me of recent C4 Report posted up here. Pre recent Hamas attack on Israel people in West Bank were calling on Hamas to do something as PA were not doing anything to stop settler attacks for example.
The C4 report said that if elections were held Hamas would get a lot of votes.
Also in Aljazeera article what is required is talks in how to dismantle military rule and occupation by Israel.
Plus not Fatah but Unity government is needed containing all factions.
What is said in this article correlates with what I have seen elsewhere.
It might not be palatable to some but if Palestinians are to get any justice in future this isn't going to happen by destroying Gaza/ totally destroying Hamas. As though this will solve the underlying problems of Israel occupation in West Bank/ blockade of Gaza /settlement building in area C of West Bank/ a weak PA that cannot defend its people from Israeli settlers/ army
ska invita
back on the other side
Going back to how many civilians are in annexed northern gaza, previous posts suggest 300,000--500,000
Corridor south was opened before the upcoming blitz - how many people left now?
BBC "It's not known how many people used the route today. Yesterday, the UN said Tuesday's total was 15,000."
Pictures show less people today than yesterday
Thats fuck all really considering and suggests some hundreds of thousands are still there... minimum 250,000, likely a lot more than that, could be not far of 500,000 still
Corridor south was opened before the upcoming blitz - how many people left now?
BBC "It's not known how many people used the route today. Yesterday, the UN said Tuesday's total was 15,000."
Pictures show less people today than yesterday
Thats fuck all really considering and suggests some hundreds of thousands are still there... minimum 250,000, likely a lot more than that, could be not far of 500,000 still
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RedRedRose
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Countries that have severed ties/withdrawn diplomats with Israel: Bolivia, South Africa, Turkey, Honduras, Chile, Jordan, Bahrain, Chad, Colombia.
Hopefully, to be followed by a few more.
Hopefully, to be followed by a few more.
Cid
Proper break this time
The Guardian says this:
Although apparently their editors have given up as I'm not entirely sure what that means.
Reuters says US envoy estimated 350-400,000 on Saturday. So your minimum is probably about right, though in an absolute minimum sense (given that 2000 left on Sunday, and it's been 10-15,000 per day since). Maximum could be more in the region of 350,000? But that's not exactly important in a sense; sufficient to say there are hundreds of thousands of civilians still in the area.
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WhyLikeThis
Something, something, something
but Moral Maze has always been unadulterated shit.
Larry O'Hara
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Larry O'Hara
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Indeed: why else have that piece of piss Evan Davis pretending to be serious commentator?
PTK
Paul Kegan
They just had someone from the Palestine Solidarity Campaingn putting the other point of view.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
He's always flapped about like a shithouse door in a hurricane. Next week he'll back to agreeing with Starmer that carpet bombing and starvation are legitimate self-defence techniques.
WhyLikeThis
Something, something, something
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Did I miss the Scottish government doing likewise?
8ball
Maximum Facepalm
Wasn’t a laugh reaction to mock there.
Was right on the button but still made me laugh.
There’s such a Monty Python element element to some of this.
Raheem
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There's two British passport holders who were in a group, with their families, allowed into Egypt from Gaza. But their names were not on the official list for whatever reason. They were in Egypt for three days before being taken back to fucking Gaza.
And it seems the UK Foreign Office just looked the other way.
And it seems the UK Foreign Office just looked the other way.
How October 7 has changed us all — and what it signals for our struggle
It can be hard to recognize a historic moment while living through it, but this time in Israel-Palestine, it’s plain for all to see.
www.972mag.com
Eric Jarvis
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Not so much. There are a LOT of orthodox Jews in that community from sects that are very much Bundist rather than Zionist and very much NOT fans of Netanyahu or the Board of Deputies. It might look like a tightrope if you can't be bothered to look at the full complexity of the views within each community and solely work on a basis of broad labels, which may well be how Lammy operates, but the reality is somewhat different.
Eric Jarvis
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2020 Census data through the ONS website. It's probably not entirely accurate but it is the best available. He's also got a fairly young electorate, and a majority of people renting their homes, so basically a large majority of his constituents have been thrown under the bus by the political establishment. Add to that a bunch of councillors resigning from the Labour Party, and Transform having copies of the marked voters register so that if they stand a candidate they know exactly where the non-voters live, I can see Lammy going down at the general election if enough people can be bothered to help take him out. He is NOT Bernie Grant.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Beautifully put. BBC have decades of form for pulling this shit with Palestine.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
My mate, Palestinian born but UK citizen, is still stuck in Gaza as his name hasn't appeared on the foreign office list yet. I'm sure this has nothing to do with him being interviewed on BBC and channel 4 news to report about what's going on in the ground in Gaza.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Most likely it's just the foreign office being fucking useless tbf.
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