Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion

[Eric Jarvis]

It's official Israel is going to permanently occupy the territory of Northern Gaza using "indefinite" "security responsibility" as the excuse, the same justification used for very every other attrocity inflicted on Palestinians. Should be a surprise to no one

I'd say it was just Netanyahu & co but it's clearly a position supported by the significant majority within Israeli society

The question however is how much that is actually true in reality or just making the same sort of assumptions that would lead one to believe that a significant majority of people in the UK support our political establishments position on what looks increasingly like a genocide. My personal assumption is that in both cases there are a minority who support the decisions being taken, another minority overtly opposing them, and bigger minority who can't be bothered to, can't work out how to, or are too scared to do anything about it.

 

[Cid]

I don't agree. Implied in the oath is a duty to uphold the ethical basis of medicine as a whole, not just to do their best as individual doctors. These wankers are openly cheering on the war crimes involved in bombing hospitals.

Here at last there's also a duty to treat in emergencies... Not a legally binding one, but I think it's fair to say that discussions of medical ethics do extend beyond the workplace/patient care.

 

[Wilf]

I've looked into this, and if a doctor strangles your children and eats your liver while you are still alive, it is not technically a breach of the Hippocratic oath, and therefore fine, so long as you have not paid them.

(((Dr Lecter)))

 

[ska invita]

Crushing those UN Hamas cells

Israel-Hamas war is deadliest ever for UN aid workers, with at least 88 killed

Call for ceasefire by agency leaders of UN, which said airstrikes on Gaza had caused the most deaths of its aid workers in one conflict

www.theguardian.com

More UN workers killed than in any other conflict ever

 

[two sheds]

Hamas fighters were hiding under them

 

[Knotted]

I think this is the most terrifying aspect of this.

Gaza’s next big threat: Cholera, infectious diseases amid total blockade

Humanitarian organisations warn deadly water-borne diseases will spread in the besieged strip if aid is not allowed in.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[Kid_Eternity]

I think this is the most terrifying aspect of this.

Gaza’s next big threat: Cholera, infectious diseases amid total blockade

Humanitarian organisations warn deadly water-borne diseases will spread in the besieged strip if aid is not allowed in.

www.aljazeera.com

I was waiting for this to arrive…this will be devastating and make air delivery harder.

 

[Knotted]

I think this is the most terrifying aspect of this.

Gaza’s next big threat: Cholera, infectious diseases amid total blockade

Humanitarian organisations warn deadly water-borne diseases will spread in the besieged strip if aid is not allowed in.

www.aljazeera.com

Sorry I should have checked the date on that (It was linked to in the live feed). 21st October.

In a UN shelter, ‘600 people share one toilet’​

Conditions in Gaza shelters are inhumane and continue to deteriorate daily, the UN’s refugee agency for Palestinians says.
It highlighted the UNRWA-run Khan Younis Training Centre as an example, saying it is currently hosting more than 22,000 internally displaced people.
At the centre, the space per person is less than two square metres and at least 600 people are sharing one toilet. The worsening sanitary conditions pose immense risks to the health and safety of people sheltering from Israel’s continuous bombardment.
United Nations agencies that warn the collapse of water and sanitation services will spark bouts of cholera and other deadly infectious disease. Most of Gaza’s 65 sewage pumping stations and all five of its wastewater treatment facilities have been forced to stop operations.

 

[teqniq]

This would appear to be entirely deliberate. Again.

Palestinian journalist Mohammad Abu Hasira killed in Israeli strike on Gaza

Mohammad Abu Hasira is one of dozens of journalists to be killed by the month-long bombardment of Gaza.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[spring-peeper]

Totally bizarre

On Nov. 3, 2023, thousands of detained Gazan laborers were deported from Israel into Gaza after spending weeks in Israeli prisons. A video went viral showing numbered plastic ID tags on released workers’ ankles, with many online decrying Israeli authorities for treating the Gazans like “animals” by doing so.

The workers were detained soon after the Israel-Hamas conflict began. On Oct. 7, 2023, Palestinian militant group Hamas launched a surprise attack on Israel from Gaza, followed by Israel declaring war and attacking and blockading Gaza, actions that resulted in the deaths of 1,400 Israelis and almost 10,000 Palestinians, as of this writing. Hamas' attacks came after months of surges in violence against Palestinians by the Israeli military.

Did Israel Detain and Place Numbered ID Tags on Workers from Gaza?

Thousands of Gazan workers were detained in Israel in October 2023, soon after the Israel-Hamas war started.

www.snopes.com

 

[ska invita]

It's called a podcast

What is it about?

 

[Ranbay]

What is it about?

Hamas/Israel conflict​

 

[WhyLikeThis]

Totally bizarre

On Nov. 3, 2023, thousands of detained Gazan laborers were deported from Israel into Gaza after spending weeks in Israeli prisons. A video went viral showing numbered plastic ID tags on released workers’ ankles, with many online decrying Israeli authorities for treating the Gazans like “animals” by doing so.

The workers were detained soon after the Israel-Hamas conflict began. On Oct. 7, 2023, Palestinian militant group Hamas launched a surprise attack on Israel from Gaza, followed by Israel declaring war and attacking and blockading Gaza, actions that resulted in the deaths of 1,400 Israelis and almost 10,000 Palestinians, as of this writing. Hamas' attacks came after months of surges in violence against Palestinians by the Israeli military.

Did Israel Detain and Place Numbered ID Tags on Workers from Gaza?

Thousands of Gazan workers were detained in Israel in October 2023, soon after the Israel-Hamas war started.

www.snopes.com

Its not bizarre, its fascism.

 

[ska invita]

Hamas/Israel conflict​

predictable response

 

[WhyLikeThis]

Those British Lefties have now infiltrated the dockers in Barcelona.

 

[Ranbay]

predictable response

Snap

 

[WhyLikeThis]

We will remember the supporters of this.

 

[Gramsci]

David Lammy urges UK government to press Israel to end West Bank violence

Letter to James Cleverly criticises ‘offensive rhetoric’ by some Israeli ministers and calls for settlers inciting hatred to be banned from UK

www.theguardian.com

Read this and was more angry at Labour than before.

Obviously the higher echelons in Labour party have seen there line We Stand by Israel/ telling Cllrs and MPs not to attend demos supporting Palestinians / removing what they see as anti semitism from the Labour party as now in tatters.

So rowing back to say hey we were really deeply concerned about Palestinian people all along.

What a load of cynical bollocks.

Anyone who does not support a ceasefire is supporting mass murder of civilians. Period.

 

[WhyLikeThis]

This is worth a watch from a medic just back from Gaza.

 

[ska invita]

This is worth a watch from a medic just back from Gaza.

based on what she is saying -starvation, dehydration, and the notion that if you are still in the northern half of gaza you're a terrorist - i cant see how the death toll isnt going to jump to 100,000 very fast even if wont be counted by the health ministry

 

[WhyLikeThis]

based on what she is saying -starvation, dehydration, and the notion that if you are still in the northern half of gaza you're a terrorist - i cant see how the death toll isnt going to jump to 100,000 very fast even if wont be counted by the health ministry

A couple of weeks ago the grim total of 30,000 killed in Gaza seemed to be Israels target. I fear it may go much further too.

 

[PTK]

Imran Hussain resigns as shadow minister over Starmer's position on Israel-Hamas ceasefire​

Imran Hussain resigns as shadow minister over Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer's position on Israel-Hamas ceasefire

The MP says he wants to be a "strong advocate for the humanitarian ceasefire" but currently can't do so from Labour's frontbench.

news.sky.com

 

[belboid]

Blimey, a shadow of a backbone

 

[splonkydoo]

Where are all the OSINT experts at regarding this conflict?

 

[krtek a houby]

And House votes to censure Tlaib. Another voice for Palestine silenced.

House votes to censure Rashida Tlaib over her criticism of Israel

Tlaib, the only Palestinian American in the chamber, sparked criticism by defending the slogan ‘from the river to the sea’

www.theguardian.com

 

[andysays]

David Lammy urges UK government to press Israel to end West Bank violence

Letter to James Cleverly criticises ‘offensive rhetoric’ by some Israeli ministers and calls for settlers inciting hatred to be banned from UK

www.theguardian.com

Read this and was more angry at Labour than before.

Obviously the higher echelons in Labour party have seen there line We Stand by Israel/ telling Cllrs and MPs not to attend demos supporting Palestinians / removing what they see as anti semitism from the Labour party as now in tatters.

So rowing back to say hey we were really deeply concerned about Palestinian people all along.

What a load of cynical bollocks.

Anyone who does not support a ceasefire is supporting mass murder of civilians. Period.

"we don't mind you bombing the fuck out of 2 million people in Gaza, but would you mind toning down the offensive rhetoric a bit..."

 

[Knotted]

Fuck you Mahmood Abbas

In the midst of Israel’s assault, people of Gaza still don’t want the PA

On the streets of the besieged strip, there appears to be little appetite for a Palestinian Authority government.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[MickiQ]

TBF the reason that Hamas won in the first place was because the PLA was seen as massively corrupt and just doing Israel's dirty work for them whereas today it is just seen as massively corrupt and doing Israel's dirty work for them.
Having the PLA riding into Gaza on the back of an IDF tank is going to go down like a bucket of cold vomit. I can't imagine what kind of political solution is going to be implemented but the people whose opinion matters the most don't care in the least.

 

[Idris2002]

RE: the claims about the hospitals. Israel must have the strip under 24/7 surveillance. Where's their video of a cheeky Hamas commando unit sneaking out of hospital premises in the dead of night, their nefarious purposes to perform?

 

[Eric Jarvis]

"we don't mind you bombing the fuck out of 2 million people in Gaza, but would you mind toning down the offensive rhetoric a bit..."

Lammy has probably just realised that 17% of his constituents are Muslim.