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From my MP but guessing it's a Labour form letter. Meaningless but a local echo of the Starmer line of fluff. Guaranteed to piss of anyone who emails them expecting any sort of stand.

I would not say its meaningless. My reply from my loyalist MP was similar.

Take this:

For too long, we have talked about a two-state solution and the dignity and justice of a Palestinian state alongside a safe and secure Israel, without serious focus on making it happen. For too long, we have allowed welcome progress in improving relations between Israel and its neighbours to sit without any progress on the future for Palestine and its people. That must change. In the long term there can only be a political solution to this crisis, which is why Labour stands for a political path to a two-state solution.

The We being mainstream Labour. Under Starmer dealing with the stain of anti semitism meant they thought going back to Labour party long standing support for Israel would be back.

The I Stand by Israel line has backfired big time.

And anyone who wanted to bang on about Palestinian rights was a fringe Corbyn loony. To be expelled.

Unfortunately for Starmer the justified outrage at Israel attack on Gaza meant large marches with Labour voting Muslims/ people of middle east background and MPs/ Cllr being inundated with angry emails.ie not the fantasy of the usual suspects that Labour right imagine

So no Sir Starmer you couldn't just expell these people or call them anti semites.

Hopefully their will be a sea change in Labour party showing respect for its voters who support rights for Palestinians.
 
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Does EU have a policy line on this conflict?

As seems to me that Ireland and Spain have gone their own way without reference to any EU line.

Show the fault lines in EU.
 
Can't see the EU policy makers having anything of worth saying on this. Politicians in member states will do and say what they like. Don't think Brussels has any sway over Sinn Fein, for example.

I was a Remainer.

But seeing the way EU has gone as an institution over this the argument that it was a bastion of human rights now rings hollow.

It is all over the place with different countries going their own way.

Bit pathetic really.
 
I was a Remainer.

But seeing the way EU has gone as an institution over this the argument that it was a bastion of human rights now rings hollow.

It is all over the place with different countries going their own way.

Bit pathetic really.
It needs radical overhauling, that's for sure.

Human rights are under constant fire and (with some) don't seem to apply to the people of Gaza.
 
Does EU have a policy line on this conflict?

As seems to me that Ireland and Spain have gone their own way without reference to any EU line.

Show the fault lines in EU.

Generation guilt of some of the main players in the EU is a bit of an issue

would germany / France come out against israel

even leaving the EU would England risk being called a Nazi state

plus all beholden to whatever the USA dictates domestically on the issue
 
Five people have been arrested during a pro-Palestinian sit-in at King’s Cross station in London after the demonstration was banned.

The transport secretary, Mark Harper, said he had given an order to allow police to stop the demonstration on Friday evening under section 14a of the Public Order Act 1986. It was later announced that protesters would also be prevented from gathering outside the Israeli embassy in London over the weekend.


On Friday evening, scores of people could still be seen outside King’s Cross station on social media. One video posted on X, formerly known as Twitter, appears to show a man draped in a Palestinian flag shouting “free, free Palestine” while being carried away from the station by three officers.

Others appear to show the controversial slogan “from the river to the sea” being shouted with demonstrators replying “Palestine will be free”.

In videos, protesters can be seen sitting on the station concourse chanting “ceasefire now”, “free, free Palestine” and “in our thousands, in our millions, we are all Palestinians”.

A banner accusing Israel of genocide can also be seen in some clips.

British Transport Police (BTP) said its officers told protesters about the Public Order Act notice and advised them to leave.

Five people were later arrested for failing to comply with the notice, the force said.

Most protesters left “without incident” by 7.15pm, the force added, and some then joined a demonstration outside the station.

Earlier, Harper said: “While the right to peaceful protest is a key part of our democratic society, it cannot be at the expense of other people’s right not to be seriously disrupted or intimidated.

“That’s why I have granted consent for the British Transport police to make an order under section 14a of the Public Order Act 1986 prohibiting the planned protest at King’s Cross station this evening."
 
Christmas adverts are filmed in June, by and large. The hats are typical Christmas party hat colours. Let's not join the madcap comment section brigade by seriously considering that M&S have been tasked by Tel Aviv to send coded messages through an advert.

Sometimes party hats in a fire are just party hats in a fire.
I've never ever seen party hats in a fire...have you? And I've never seen that colour combination in that order either. It doesn't matter that it was filmed last August. There have been haters of Palestine for decades. Someone put that together...Someone thought that through.

Who throws party hats in a fire?
 
I've never ever seen party hats in a fire...have you? And I've never seen that colour combination in that order either. It doesn't matter that it was filmed last August. There have been haters of Palestine for decades. Someone put that together...Someone thought that through.

Who throws party hats in a fire?

You're promoting an antiSemitic trope.
 
Jesus fucking christ, really, I come back to look at this thread and see that? People think M&S were sending a coded message of hate for the Palestinians through a Xmas advert?

The left really is fucked up on this topic sometimes.
 
Who throws party hats in a fire?

The theme of the ad is forcefully rejecting cliched holiday tradtions in favour of doing what you want, it depicts Christmas cards being set on fire, an Elf of the Shelf being sent flying with a baseball bat, and Christmas crackers being dumped in a woodchipper, the burning Christmas hats was one that didn't make the cut

 
Jesus fucking christ, really? People think M&S were sending a coded message of hate for the Palestinians through a Xmas advert?

The left really is fucked up on this topic sometimes.
No...I dont think M&S were doing it.
I think some fucking asshole did it.
 
I've never ever seen party hats in a fire...have you? And I've never seen that colour combination in that order either. It doesn't matter that it was filmed last August. There have been haters of Palestine for decades. Someone put that together...Someone thought that through.

Who throws party hats in a fire?
Green and red are traditionally Christmas colours to be fair.
 
It is all over the place with different countries going their own way.
Thats what the EU is - different countries pulling in different directions - same thing with refugee policy - the EU as a monolith is overstated IMO - its a sum of its parts. the fact its looked as coherent as it has is that we've had a period of broad neoliberal consensus amongst the vast majority of elected politicians across the zone
 
Jesus fucking christ, really, I come back to look at this thread and see that? People think M&S were sending a coded message of hate for the Palestinians through a Xmas advert?

The left really is fucked up on this topic sometimes.

Bit of a stretch to define 'the left' by one (well two iirc) person's view. The first time this came up it got roundly shat upon, and now it will too.
 
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