Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion

[frogwoman]

France probes Stars of David graffiti in Paris

Paris prosecutors opened an investigation Tuesday into dozens of Stars of David daubed on buildings around the city and its suburbs, seen as threatening Jews amid the war between Israel and Hamas.

www.france24.com

Clearly these guys were just feeling pissed off about zionism too

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

Dagestan: Mob storms Russian airport in search of Jews

Israel urges Russia to protect Jews after furious crowd confronts passengers arriving from Tel Aviv.

www.bbc.co.uk

Probably just pissed off at Starmer and the Labour Party eh

Yeah, I think I'm done...you get the idea.

Yeah, let's mix in incidents in Los Angeles and Dagestan and Paris. That'll make things clearer.

 

[frogwoman]

There was an example posted upthread about a piece of graffiti in Hackney which read "Free Palestine" being reported as antisemitic, and given some of the statements from eg Suella Braverman, I don't think it's that outlandish to suggest that some reported antisemitic acts aren't what most of us would consider genuine, even if they are just waving Palestinian flags.

Again, we should be able to condemn real acts of anti-semitism like those posted by Kid_Eternity while recognising that not everything which is reported as such is genuine.

Lol

 

[frogwoman]

Yeah, let's mix in incidents in Los Angeles and Dagestan and Paris. That'll make things clearer.

The UK famously unaffected by events in America, Russia and France of course

 

[WhyLikeThis]

Biden has dramatically lost support from Arab-Americans. Let’s see how Starmer fares with muslim voters in the UK.

 

[WhyLikeThis]

This is what the Israeli soldiers think is fine to record and share. I’ve spoken with Israeli commandos why they do this, the answer was 1. that Palestinians are not real people and 2. Shoah. Totally missing the point.

 

[belboid]

Does anyone know whether Hamas is sheltering ordinary Palestinians down in these tunnels.?

I'm asking because I noted figures for Palestinians dying..showed 62% are women and children.

Why...if Hamas has kms of tunnels underground...why are they not sheltering women and children there?

50% of the population are children and, I assume, around 50% of the population are female. So 62% means they are under-represented amongst the dead.

 

[Mezzer]

gsv and I were discussing the way some people can't see/have chosen not to see that people saying 'You can understand why the Hamas attacks happened' is not the same thing as saying 'The Hamas attacks were excusable'. The fact that Hamas could find people full of enough fury and hate didn't come out of nowhere. It came from poverty, desperation, hopelessness, grief and misery that is caused by Israel's policy towards the Palestinians. It didn't have to be caused by Israel's existence but it was the path the government chose to follow.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

The UK famously unaffected by events in America, Russia and France of course

First they're downplaying AS when it's pointed out it's surging across the world they try to claim none of this is connected. I'm not going to engage with them further, they're clearly showing a problem with Jewish people.

 

[Mezzer]

This surprised me. Her arguments are so convoluted that I've no idea what she's suggesting, if anything. Just that Starmer's not wrong, it appears.

Labour calling for a ceasefire would achieve nothing. So why should it tear itself apart over this? | Polly Toynbee

Keir Starmer is not playing politics with the Israel-Hamas war, says Guardian columnist Polly Toynbee

www.theguardian.com

 

[belboid]

This surprised me. Her arguments are so convoluted that I've no idea what she's suggesting, if anything. Just that Starmer's not wrong, it appears.

Labour calling for a ceasefire would achieve nothing. So why should it tear itself apart over this? | Polly Toynbee

Keir Starmer is not playing politics with the Israel-Hamas war, says Guardian columnist Polly Toynbee

www.theguardian.com

it's Toynbee. She will excuse any old Labour leadership bollocks in a terrible way. It's what she's paid for.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

This surprised me. Her arguments are so convoluted that I've no idea what she's suggesting, if anything. Just that Starmer's not wrong, it appears.

Labour calling for a ceasefire would achieve nothing. So why should it tear itself apart over this? | Polly Toynbee

Keir Starmer is not playing politics with the Israel-Hamas war, says Guardian columnist Polly Toynbee

www.theguardian.com

I'd like a journalist to ask what the difference between a humanitarian pause and a temporary ceasefire is? And if they are different how does humanitarian aid get delivered at the scale needed during an active conflict of this type. I did 8 years in the humanitarian sector, in 2014 it was only when a ceasefire was agreed that aid could surge.

 

[Knotted]

If UK Labour Party calls for a ceasefire then the only effect would be to jeopardise future diplomatic relations with Israel. Sure. But then this is a good thing.

 

[Protag]

If UK Labour Party calls for a ceasefire then the only effect would be to jeopardise future diplomatic relations with Israel. Sure. But then this is a good thing.

Labour won't do jack shit

 

[Mezzer]

If UK Labour Party calls for a ceasefire then the only effect would be to jeopardise future diplomatic relations with Israel. Sure. But then this is a good thing.

I've no idea why it's so difficult to take the stance that the Spanish Government have taken. Gone out on a limb, but with principal.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

This surprised me. Her arguments are so convoluted that I've no idea what she's suggesting, if anything. Just that Starmer's not wrong, it appears.

Labour calling for a ceasefire would achieve nothing. So why should it tear itself apart over this? | Polly Toynbee

Keir Starmer is not playing politics with the Israel-Hamas war, says Guardian columnist Polly Toynbee

www.theguardian.com

It's horribly confused.

demanding a ceasefire without precise conditions asks Israel to abandon its hostages, taken amid atrocity.

She thinks flattening Gaza has been about getting the hostages back? Has she not listened to a word Netanyahu has said?

 

[andysays]

I don't recall it but if it was written on say, a synagogue, then fair cop.

I think the CST figures should be questioned btw. But I think they are motivated to maintain their credibility. Suella Braverman doesn't give a shit of course.

It wasn't written on a synagogue.

Here's a link to the original post from 17th Oct

'Hackney Council is facing a backlash from pro-Palestinian campaigners after describing the words ‘Free Palestine’ as “antisemitic”.

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Hackney Council did not respond when asked to explain why it considers the words ‘Free Palestine’ to be antisemitic."

Hackney Council sparks backlash from pro-Palestinian campaigners after removing ‘antisemitic’ graffiti

Palestine Solidarity Campaign condemns Middle East violence as it questions Town Hall’s response to the words ‘Free Palestine’

www.hackneycitizen.co.uk

 

[andysays]

Lol

Have you got anything sensible to say, or are you just going to do this sort of passive aggressive bollocks?

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Biden has dramatically lost support from Arab-Americans. Let’s see how Starmer fares with muslim voters in the UK.

Fully deserved, but where do you go if you're a U.S. voter?

 

[MickiQ]

Does anyone know whether Hamas is sheltering ordinary Palestinians down in these tunnels.?

I'm asking because I noted figures for Palestinians dying..showed 62% are women and children.

Why...if Hamas has kms of tunnels underground...why are they not sheltering women and children there?

I would amazed if they are, non-combatants in the the tunnels are only going to get in the way of the fighters. It's not like Hamas care whether they live or die. There really are no good guys in this fight.

 

[WhyLikeThis]

Fully deserved, but where do you go if you're a U.S. voter?

Exactly. This was Blair’s justification “where will they go?”.

 

[Knotted]

It wasn't written on a synagogue.

Here's a link to the original post from 17th Oct

Yeah there's a lot of bullshit about. But I think it's looking very transparent now a few weeks later. The Palestinian cause has come crashing back into focus.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Yeah there's a lot of bullshit about. But I think it's looking very transparent now a few weeks later. The Palestinian cause has come crashing back into focus.

The councillors involved are probably clueless more than anything. They rushed to reassure the Orthodox community in Stamford Hill? Most of them would agree with 'Free Palestine'.

 

[WhyLikeThis]

This is what the Israeli soldiers think is fine to record and share. I’ve spoken with Israeli commandos why they do this, the answer was 1. that Palestinians are not real people and 2. Shoah. Totally missing the point.

It’s worth a look at the entire thread, this is perverse, encourage and celebrated by the media and politicians. This is what fascists do.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

It’s worth a look at the entire thread, this is perverse, encourage and celebrated by the media and politicians. This is what fascists do.

Lots of us have fucked X off so saying read the thread is a waste of time.

 

[Aladdin]

I would amazed if they are, non-combatants in the the tunnels are only going to get in the way of the fighters. It's not like Hamas care whether they live or die. There really are no good guys in this fifight.

This is what I feared.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Have you got anything sensible to say, or are you just going to do this sort of passive aggressive bollocks?

Give over.

 

[WhyLikeThis]

Lots of us have fucked X off so saying read the thread is a waste of time.

I’m patiently waiting for Bluesky to gain critical mass before fucking Twitter off for good. It still has its uses for current affair stuff. There is also some pleasure in watching X crumble.

 

[two sheds]

Lots of us have fucked X off so saying read the thread is a waste of time.

https://nitter.net/muhammadshehad2/status/1719333402308927628?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1719333402308927628%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

 

[teqniq]

That's quite some protest/picture: