PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
It'd be headline news if it weren't Spurs fans waving Israeli flags tbf.
Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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Cid
Proper break this time
Has he not been saying that for essentially the last two weeks?
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
Yes, different from Daesh but still reactionary and murderous. The pogrom earlier this month showed that Hamas are as capable of killing civilians in macabre ways as Daesh and affiliates.
Clearly as Hamas, Daesh, the Netanyahu regime, the Russian state, the Asaadists and the British in Afghanistan demonstrate not everyone who commits war crimes against civilians is the same. That doesn't mean they're not all scum.
Cid
Proper break this time
E.g this from the 23rd:
Today, I spoke with
<netanyahu, not leaving a link to his twitter in>
about developments in Israel and Gaza.The first two convoys of humanitarian assistance arrived in Gaza yesterday, and we affirmed that there will now be a continued flow of this critical aid to Palestinians in need.
ska invita
back on the other side
humanitarian assistance doesnt sound like ceasefire to me, sounds like more coffin-laden aid trucks
Netanyahu has just announced a long war to carry out his lifes mission....I cant imagine that not coming to pass
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
mojo pixy
...שלא נמצא בשמאל
Its a bit late now, but I think calling it "Israel" was a massive and insurmountable mistake. The ancient land of the Jews was called Canaan, or even Judea and Samaria. Calling this new land Israel gave it an explicitly religious tone that was always going to be poison to peace with the local Muslim population. Its also ironically a reason some ultra-orthodox, who believe only the messiah can re-found Israel, won't acknowledge the place and won't speak Hebrew as an everyday language.
Anyway. Here we are.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh it's like the auld anecdote about getting directions when lost in the country, where the amiable rustic says 'well i wouldn't start from here'
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
perhaps it's time to introduce this to the thread
(fm 3-06 urban operations, p. 2-4 (2006)) nb: pdf
bisecting the surface does nothing to bisect the subterranean environment
YouSir
Retired from Urban
Looks like meaningless fluff tbh. Biden's shown no real sign of having any boundaries as far as Israel are concerned.
twistedAM
Left Of The Dial
Oh god I wonder how they will work the Bilbao-Euskadi connection.
Meanwhile I wonder if those Spurs fans got their flags confiscated? Tbh there only seemed to be a couple.
BBC Live feed says
UN says children drinking salty water in Gaza
EPACopyright: EPA
Collecting water in Khan Yunis on SundayImage caption: Collecting water in Khan Yunis on Sunday
Children are facing a "catastrophic" situation in Gaza, with parents left with no choice but to give them salty water, according to the UN chidren's aid agency Unicef.
Toby Fricker, a spokesperson for the body, told BBC News the shortages that existed in Gaza even before the current conflict had been "raised to another level".
“One of our staff members, she has a four-year-old, a seven-year-old, and she’s just trying to keep girls safe, to keep them alive on an everyday basis," he said.
“She spoke about how they’re just drinking salty water, and her daughter’s saying, ‘Mum, why can’t I have the normal water back we used to have in regular days?’
Asked about the aid supplies that have now been able to enter Gaza, Fricker said: “There have been supplies in, but it’s extremely minimal.
“When you see the immense needs on the ground that we have, there needs to be many, many, many more."
Fricker called for an “immediate humanitarian ceasefire” and the scaling up of aid supplies into Gaza “on a sustained basis”.
“What we’re seeing now on an everyday basis is that children are being killed, children are being wounded, maimed,” he said.
“And that’s the number one thing - to protect children’s lives and to keep children alive.”
PTK
Paul Kegan
Big Flame? That's a blast from the past.
Cloo
Banana for scale
I do sometimes wish they'd followed the idea of putting a Jewish state somewhere in South America instead. Honestly all our lives would be so much easier...
Larry O'Hara
Well-Known Member
miktheword
Well-Known Member
From the report I read it was one flag during the minute's silence at start of Tottenham v Fulham on Monday, and someone shouting 'long live Israel'.
Spurs have often had Israel flags but that's much more to do with vilification and the subsequent self - identification with being 'yids'.
It's a complex dynamic with vast majority not having any affinity with Israel but will still chant 'yids', 'yid army' etc.
if this is new to you, this might explain some of the history. JC in 2016
Spurs supporters did not grow up as "Yids"; they became Yids in adversity through a complex and contested process of identity formation. Forced to respond to pejorative, abusive taunts from rival supporters, many in the crowd embraced the term in order to render the abuse impotent. But the word yid remains highly controversial. Many Jewish Spurs fans support their club despite the word, not because of it.
The Jewish community in Tottenham began to grow in the early 20th century. Eastern European Jews fleeing pogroms in Russia came to Britain from 1880 onwards, with a surge in 1905/06 as their persecution intensified. Many settled in the East End amidst its long-established Jewish community. Others then moved further north, taking advantage of the good transport links and employment prospects in the Tottenham area. The Jewish Dispersion Committee encouraged the move from overcrowded Whitechapel and Brick Lane...
For many Jews, the drive for assimilation has been an over-riding imperative and football has been instrumental in that process. Writing about this powerful anglicisation, Anthony Clavane says football is: "A space where ethnic identity has connected, even become intertwined, with national identity; an arena where Jews have fought the notion that they were invaders who needed to be fended off, newcomers who did not belong."
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
I'll have a word with the PLO (Patagonian Liberation Organisation). They might not warm to the idea.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
There was a Russian state proposed at one stage, iirc. Very poor land and it didn't work out.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Birobidzhan - right out in the literal arse end of nowhere, near the Chinese and Korean borders. That was more about Joe trying to hold down the eastern territories of the USSR, at a time when it wasn't clear if Japan were going to be a threat there or not.
WhyLikeThis
Something, something, something
Grim report
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
The blinkered opinions of the exceptionalist british commentariat and ruling class will never grasp this situation. Meanwhile the rest of us are reduced to spectators in a massacre we can do very little about, certainly not without being called, by those same inadequate people, antisemites.
Meanwhile, when angry people vent on twitter having to watch the death of their people and families, the commentariat will cluck its tongues and tell them how to behave, Braverman will chair a COBRA meeting while herself peddling Nazi tropes about cultural marxism. She herself was corrected in recent past by a holocaust survivor.
No one livingin the west was raised to cope with this world as it now stands. It is dehumanising us in the name of decency. No one can say anything without first having to run it by the moral authority that demands we condmen Hamas as if that means anything. I don't agree with people shouting Jihad, or the events in Dagestan, or people saying 'yay hamas' in some form, but those who can't understand it should be nowhere near power
Meanwhile, when angry people vent on twitter having to watch the death of their people and families, the commentariat will cluck its tongues and tell them how to behave, Braverman will chair a COBRA meeting while herself peddling Nazi tropes about cultural marxism. She herself was corrected in recent past by a holocaust survivor.
No one livingin the west was raised to cope with this world as it now stands. It is dehumanising us in the name of decency. No one can say anything without first having to run it by the moral authority that demands we condmen Hamas as if that means anything. I don't agree with people shouting Jihad, or the events in Dagestan, or people saying 'yay hamas' in some form, but those who can't understand it should be nowhere near power
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Turns out Birobidzhan still exists, even though only 2% of the population now has Jewish roots;
www.france24.com
Birobidzhan: Israel-Hamas war sows discord in remote Jewish region of Russia
The furore over the Israel-Hamas war has reached all the way to Birobidzhan in Russia’s Far East, the world’s only autonomous Jewish territory outside Israel, after a local newspaper published its support…
www.france24.com
ska invita
back on the other side
it'll be interesting to see in a few weeks time where the UK's establishment "Israel has a right to" brigade end up drawing a line as to whether Israel has gone beyond that right or not
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