OK. I thought and a Google appears to confirm that the Egyptian border is closed to goods. As for people if would appear that they can stay in Sinai for fourteen days and that's that. I don't think we can assume that Palestinians will be able to find safety in Egypt.
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Indeed we can't assume, but seems more likely than crossing into Israel.
No doubt.
Raheem
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Something would have to give between Egypt's desire not to take responsibility for them and their desire to see some of them not die, I imagine.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Egypt, like so many of the other Arab states, having been so supportive of the Palestinian people (as opposed to the Palestinian 'Cause') over the years after all.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Yeah, fair enough.
Look where your other 'like' for this came from though.
That's a Godwins!
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
It's taken 21 pages, but NATO's fault at last...
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
The border with Egypt is sealed in the same way that the border with Israel is sealed. If your young and fit and willing to face the consequences, you might be able to paraglide over it too, but that's not an option for most people.
Gaza's hospitals on verge of blackout after Israel cuts electricity supplies
Health care system close to buckling as Israel takes punitive decision to end electricity supplies to besieged enclavewww.middleeasteye.net
Gaza hospitals are now failing due to power being cut.
Who knows how many additional lives this will cost when the inevitable land invasion begins.
What a mess.
I have a feeling this is going to end with another refugee crisis. Perhaps people in Gaza will be forced to flee to Egypt.
JimW
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Was reading this just earlier about a 1950s attempt to relocate Palestinians to Sinai that led to one of the first post-48 uprisings How Plans to Move Palestinians to Egypt Backfired
I'm not sure Sisi needed much convincing.
Others would seem to disagree.
The problem with your approach is that it utterly fails to understand the power relations embedded into the nature of colonialism, and why this inevitably begets violence. If there’s going to be a way forward, it can only come once this institutional violence has been acknowledged so that the side it has been perpetrated on can start to heal. If you ignore this, if you just say “bad people doing bad things”, you fail to address the inherent driver of the violence and you will just guarantee that the cycle is perpetrated. You become culpable yourself, as part of the system that is reproducing itself.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
First war thread I have been on for a while where there aren’t pictures of , and discussions about , tanks .
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
why is it not rational? i don't see what's so irrational about it - for example, the thinking might be to exert pressure on the gazan population to encourage them to put pressure on hamas. it might be to force hamas to sue for peace. it might be to reduce palestinian ability to resist a ground assault or to fight fires caused by air strikes - the absence of water as a weapon of war.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
which is strange given the idf tanks actually captured by the palestinians
Fwiw I agree with Spymaster that excusing Hamas' actions because of Israeli actions or whatabouting is morally incoherent. It's also infantalising. Hamas have pulled off a tremendous victory against all the odds and must have planned this for months and given every consideration to the consequences. Don't dismiss this as madness or vengeful spontaneity and don't give undeserving credit to Iran.
I don't know how this is going to end but if it hadn't happened the situation in Gaza was hopeless and the invisible (to us) brutality of the siege would have continued indefinitely.
If this post sounds nihilistic, imagine the nihilism of living in Gaza 2023.
I do suggest reading some Sara Roy before you morally pontificate.
I don't know how this is going to end but if it hadn't happened the situation in Gaza was hopeless and the invisible (to us) brutality of the siege would have continued indefinitely.
If this post sounds nihilistic, imagine the nihilism of living in Gaza 2023.
I do suggest reading some Sara Roy before you morally pontificate.
Not sure that anything anyone on Urban75 has to say would change or perpetuate much in the Middle East tbh.
I’m sorry, but you’re going to have to point me to an example of this happening on this thread. I’ve not seen it once.
People on urban75 exist as part of a wider discourse.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
This is a sub-teenage level explanation of power-relations but it's not incorrect. However, it's utter bilge in the context of this thread because not a single poster has sought to deny or even downplay Israel's culpability in other acts of violence/colonialism.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
it's obvious it's been planned for months. and it is equally obvious that this would never have happened if the zionists hadn't acted as they have not only over the past few years but over decades. you're right to point out the unparalleled degree of planning and operational security that it's taken for them to achieve such surprise, but the thing about palestinian victories is so many of them have been pyrrhic.
Sub-teenage
. I mean, it’s literally a précis of a sociological paper I read on the issue last year, that had just been published. I’m not aware that the authors were teenagers, but maybe you know better. Certainly, the one who came to the LSE to talk about it looked quite old, but maybe his experiences had merely aged him.You may remember that none of this started because people were calling for acknowledgment that “Israel Bad”. It happened because you threw your toys out of the pram when you saw others seeking to understand the priors that led to the situation, rather than just loudly performing anger.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
And no OSINT maps with arrows , or discussions on tactics , shovels and , with the exception of one post , no WW2 analogies .
Raheem
Well-Known Member
In this case, I think it is a lever pulled in panic. It won't weaken the Palestinian defence very much, because fighters will be prioritised when it comes to coping with limited resources.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
They missed a trick by not using a tractor to drag them away.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Sub-teenage
In that case it's likely just a juvenile précis of a paper that you've failed to do justice, despite having discussed it at the LSE, no less. Very impressive!
No toys have been thrown, professor. I've simply addressed a rather revolting element on these boards that seeks to "understand" the murder of a couple of hundred kids, and the rape of women and girls, through another prism.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
How do you feel knowing a very big body of people around the world are supportive of Hamas?
Raheem
Well-Known Member
Not a criticism of you - perfectly good post. But... that's going to be the next angle fed down to defenders of Putin, isn't it? Comparisons between Ukrainians and Palestinians to neither's benefit.
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