SpookyFrank
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But that is what is happening.
Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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But that is what is happening.
platinumsage
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You could mock up an image with a quote by a Hamas spokesman saying "we must ensure many Palestinian civilians are bombed by Israel" and it would be what is happening but not what a Hamas spokesman actually said.
mojo pixy
...שלא נמצא בשמאל
This is what I'm talking about: arab-hating islamophobes 'standing with Israel' because they hate Jews less than they hate Muslims.
It's really fucking ugly and does Israel no favours IMO
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I don't really give a shit what they say tbh. I care about what they do.
They've already confessed to multiple actions which are unambiguously war crimes. Demanding that a population flee their homes under threat of extermination is not an action you can misinterpret.
tommers
It was... Rebekah Vardy's account
Lots of UK papers say that he did say that. Haaretz says "On Tuesday morning, the IDF reported having dropped hundreds of tons of bombs in attacks on the Strip and said that "the emphasis is on damage, not precision."
So what exactly are you saying?
Eric Jarvis
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That comes down at least in part on how you define "immorally targeted". Personally I consider any action that kills entirely innocent people is immoral. Whether you are Hamas or the IDF. If the morality doesn't apply to everybody it isn't morality, it is hypocrisy.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
He's sticking his fingers in his ears and saying la la la, I wouldn't even bother if I was you.
platinumsage
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Why change the word to destruction then? Perhaps damage wasn't shocking enough for their wannabe meme.
Gramsci
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Corbyn is only leader of major party in this country whose been subject to character assassination. It wasn't just that some disagreed with him it was that he and those who support Palestinian rights in this country had to be eliminated from body politic.
Which almost succeeded. Now the people doing this are being shown what they are. Apologists for mass bombing of civilians.
It's like the previous post on member of momentum when saying they wanted a ceasefire being asked if they are Corbynite.
Looking at right press today across Europe and, like the Evening Standard, the big demos in support of Palestinians are being portrayed as example of what happens when you let large numbers of Muslims into Europe. That support for Palestinian rights is to blame for rise in anti semitism.
tommers
It was... Rebekah Vardy's account
LOL. I knew it was something like that.
platinumsage
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I wouldn't. Most wars contain actions in which entirely innocent people are killed but not all of those wars are immoral.
teqniq
DisMembered
Except he did I would not be so stupid not to fact check it before posting it here. I'm out atm but I will find a link later unless someone else does first.
Eric Jarvis
Well-Known Member
Lots of UK papers make up a lot of nonsense and print it. Generally it is only true if they say somebody said something that contradicts the newspaper's political position and which makes sense, or if they use a precise verbatim quote by a specified individual that can be corroborated independently. Otherwise they know that by and large the PCC will do nothing and that they can afford any legal bills that will result from it. If an article claims "a spokesman said", quote "sources close to", or some such anonymising guff, then the quote was made up by a journalist. If they paraphrase a specified individual then they are like as not misrepresenting what they actually said in order to make it more controversial and create a "newsworthy story" where there is none. This has been standard practise by most UK newspapers for decades, and over the last 15 years or so ALL national UK newspapers.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
So do you consider the Russian invasion of Ukraine immoral or are you waiting for a poll of Russian citizens to make your decision on any immorality and war crimes?
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Looking at the images, you really don't think that the 'damage' is actually destruction?
Eric Jarvis
Well-Known Member
In my view that means all wars have included actions that were immoral even when the war itself was entirely justified. There is a case that can be made by both the IDF AND Hamas that they are fighting a war that is morally justifiable. Both have taken actions that are not morally acceptable at all. It's really simple if you don't feel you need to turn every conflict into an over-simplified "good guys" versus "bad guys".
Eric Jarvis
Well-Known Member
The Israeli government response to the UN vote for a ceasefire has been to say the UN is neither legitimate nor relevant.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
It doesn't matter what the IDF says. It's fucking obvious what they are doing.
I notice the posters trying to prove, with the help of obvious IDF propaganda and lies, that it was really Hamas who blew up their own hospital have gone fucking quiet now.
I notice the posters trying to prove, with the help of obvious IDF propaganda and lies, that it was really Hamas who blew up their own hospital have gone fucking quiet now.
platinumsage
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That's because there's no point arguing with conspiraloons.
platinumsage
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Sure, all I've said is that based on the information available to me in my armchair is that it's easy for me to identify the specific actions of Hamas that are not morally acceptable, but less easy for me to identify the specific actions of the IDF that are not morally acceptable.
ska invita
back on the other side
Try harder
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Sure, all I've said is that based on the information available to me in my armchair is that it's easy for me to identify the specific actions of Hamas that are not morally acceptable, but less easy for me to identify the specific actions of the IDF that are not morally acceptable.
The IDF claims they are targeting Hamas locations, yet over 50% of residential units, that's over half for the hard of understanding, have been destroyed or at least badly damaged, do you seriously think Hamas has been operating from over 50% of residential units?
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
yes - cos dead isralies is always a horrible artrocity. Wheras dead palastinians the reaction is "it depends" (with all points covered from "hamas to blame" right up to "regretable mistake" ) .Sure, all I've said is that based on the information available to me in my armchair is that it's easy for me to identify the specific actions of Hamas that are not morally acceptable, but less easy for me to identify the specific actions of the IDF that are not morally acceptable.
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ska invita
back on the other side
Top half of Gaza strip is gone... Only once it's all rubble and bones look out for a *humanitarian pause."
Speculation is pretty pointless but still, I can well imagine Israel won't allow it to be rebuilt either, will become some kind of militarily protected buffer zone ... The ultimate project is pushing Palestinians out of Israel, can't see this regime allowing their work to be undone. Dream come true for Netanyahu, all worked out a treat, played the long game and won
Speculation is pretty pointless but still, I can well imagine Israel won't allow it to be rebuilt either, will become some kind of militarily protected buffer zone ... The ultimate project is pushing Palestinians out of Israel, can't see this regime allowing their work to be undone. Dream come true for Netanyahu, all worked out a treat, played the long game and won
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platinumsage
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The last I read from the UN via Al-Jazeera it was 45% damaged 4% destroyed. I don't know the details of how many Hamas operatives and facilities there are, although i presume many facilities are below ground level and thus hard to target without damaging surrounding buildings.
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platinumsage
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No it's because the dead Israeli civilians were tortured and murdered while being video-recorded by their torturers and murderers, so it's easy to say they didn't accidentally and regrettably get in the way of supposed legitimate military targets.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
I know that is what they love to claim, but as you say in this war there is very little evidence to suggest that is what they are doing.
The targets are quite clearly those parts of the state that allow civilian life to continue in Gaza - schools, shops, bakeries, housing, universities, hospitals, religious buildings and of course the people who staff, occupy or use those things. Even the siege - which is still advertised as preventing Hamas from getting much needed supplies - now seems exclusively targeted at the population because Hamas has considerable stockpiles. Where they do hit "military" targets, they are those where the hostages are most likely to be, rather than for example the units setting off rockets.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
yeah. they get in the way by living in gaza when its getting bombed to fuck. only got themselves to blame really. cunt
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