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Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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The39thStep
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CNN New satellite images released by Maxar show significant damage to sites across Gaza.
mojo pixy
שיר חדש
If a suburb of Tel Aviv looked like that, there would be hell to pay for whoever did it.
8ball
Maximum Facepalm
And what hell would be brought upon those who demanded payment?
The Israelis are frantically trying to find a way to deal with the impossible situation Hamas has backed them into. If they invade the Gaza Strip, it’s going to be an utter bloodbath, and not just there — I’d expect a ground invasion by Hezbollah along the northern frontiers, for example. If they don’t invade, they appear weak. It’s an utterly unenviable mess, and thus a brilliantly nasty piece of strategy on Hamas’ part.
deeyo
hurled unheard to this world.
the attacks of october 7th was a fucking clockwork orange horrorshow.
the al quassem brigades massacre of a thousand civilans is the single worst act of brutality in the israeli-palestinian conflict since defense minister sharon gave the fascist butchers of the phalangist lebanese forces led by elie hobeika free reign for to torture, maim, rape & kill defenseless palestinian refugees in sabra & shatila 1982.
the death figuers range from obvs underestimates of 460 to a 'rough maximum' of 3500; no one knows for sure.
hamas has never done anything close to this scale before. israel hasn't experienced anything like it.
to see the leaders of hamas trying to deny what happened in interviews like the one teqniq linked to rasha nabil vs khaled meshal or sarah ferguson vs basem naim is surreal.
don't know if you've seen this - haaretz list over israel's dead. pictures provided by their loved ones. i took the time to scroll all the way through it, trying to show some kind of respect. it's grim & it just goes on. those 'legitimate targets' - the soldiers - were mostly 19-21 years. the ravers were 24-28 - their older siblings, i suppose.
in this time of national trauma & grief, israel is led by a corrupted criminal & a coalition of fascists & other bastards. & the western major powers offer them 'unconditional support'...
now we got another list of names, 7028 of them. stand by for updates.
we gotta stop this madness now.
...no barrage of missiles, no awesome Iron Dome defenses, no brutal airborne firepower will ever compare to the strength it takes to create a lasting peace. To learn to love the children of the enemy as much as you love your own.
the al quassem brigades massacre of a thousand civilans is the single worst act of brutality in the israeli-palestinian conflict since defense minister sharon gave the fascist butchers of the phalangist lebanese forces led by elie hobeika free reign for to torture, maim, rape & kill defenseless palestinian refugees in sabra & shatila 1982.
the death figuers range from obvs underestimates of 460 to a 'rough maximum' of 3500; no one knows for sure.
hamas has never done anything close to this scale before. israel hasn't experienced anything like it.
to see the leaders of hamas trying to deny what happened in interviews like the one teqniq linked to rasha nabil vs khaled meshal or sarah ferguson vs basem naim is surreal.
don't know if you've seen this - haaretz list over israel's dead. pictures provided by their loved ones. i took the time to scroll all the way through it, trying to show some kind of respect. it's grim & it just goes on. those 'legitimate targets' - the soldiers - were mostly 19-21 years. the ravers were 24-28 - their older siblings, i suppose.
in this time of national trauma & grief, israel is led by a corrupted criminal & a coalition of fascists & other bastards. & the western major powers offer them 'unconditional support'...
now we got another list of names, 7028 of them. stand by for updates.
we gotta stop this madness now.
...no barrage of missiles, no awesome Iron Dome defenses, no brutal airborne firepower will ever compare to the strength it takes to create a lasting peace. To learn to love the children of the enemy as much as you love your own.
PTK
Paul Kegan
Oxford city council is believed to be the first authority Labour has lost control of in the country, as a result of its stance on Gaza.
Labour loses Oxford council majority after ninth Gaza resignation
Councillor Barbara Coyne resigns from the party in protest against Labour's stance on Gaza.
www.bbc.co.uk
8ball
Maximum Facepalm
Oxford city council is believed to be the first authority Labour has lost control of in the country, as a result of its stance on Gaza.
Labour loses Oxford council majority after ninth Gaza resignation
Councillor Barbara Coyne resigns from the party in protest against Labour's stance on Gaza.www.bbc.co.uk
At this time Hamas remain tight-lipped on whether they will be significantly increasing Council tax.
WhyLikeThis
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Grim.
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Something, something, something
Scum.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
It seems the Saudis aren't going let Hamas knock them off course:
RedRedRose
Well-Known Member
Sleepy Joe will be along shortly to tell you the stats are wrong.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
I think we can safely assume that the Saudi public will not be allowed a say about that or anything else for that matter
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
I think we can also safely assume that the UK public will be allowed to have their say, which will then be completely ignored. Which is worse?
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
Being ignored probably preferable to being flogged or disappeared in the middle of the night tbh.
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
There is that.
RhymnRzn
anti-doter
Less like a fall from grace, more like humpty dumpty
Cid
Proper break this time
On the law side, open letter from British lawyers calling for ceasefire published.
Letter... The full letter runs to about 10 pages, only skimmed as have work to do, but worth a read I think:
lawyersletter.uk
Graun:
www.theguardian.com
Header text of letter:
Letter... The full letter runs to about 10 pages, only skimmed as have work to do, but worth a read I think:
UK Lawyer's Letter - Lawyer's Letter UK
UK lawyers’ open letter concerning Gaza London 26 October 2023 Dear Prime Minister, Foreign Secretary, Defence Secretary, We the undersigned legal practitioners, legal academics and former members of the judiciary, in the United Kingdom (UK), dedicated to upholding the rule of law both...
lawyersletter.uk
Graun:
British lawyers call on government to press for ceasefire in Gaza
Exclusive: Signatories to open letter also urge ministers to stop sales of arms that could be used in violation of international law
Header text of letter:
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
Fuck off to another one then
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
A complete ceasefire is pretty much a non starter as far as I can see. The only acceptable endgame for Israel now is the complete eradication of Hamas and vice versa. Not really a basis for negotiations.
There might possibly be the odd pause to let aid in and give time for both sides to tool up ready for the next round but what's been done (by both sides) can't be undone and there is no going back to the situation on Oct 6. This conflict is going the distance.
There might possibly be the odd pause to let aid in and give time for both sides to tool up ready for the next round but what's been done (by both sides) can't be undone and there is no going back to the situation on Oct 6. This conflict is going the distance.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
any news on HS2?
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
Tracey is a nasty hypocrite though. He's whitewashed atrocities of both Assad and Putin, claimed the Bucha massacre was fake. He belongs in the same bin as Glenn Greenwald, Max Bleumenthal, Ben Norton, Aaron Mate and all the other fake-left RT/Sputnik/Grayzone grifters.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
You may be right. But the complete eradication of Hamas will also mean the complete eradication of Gaza as a place to live any kind of normal life, probably mass murder of thousands of civilians, the displacement of god knows how many Palestinians to god knows where, probable renewed carnage in the West Bank, likely hostilities with Hezbollah in Lebanon, and much more. That would mean the end of any possibility of peace for years to come and the end of any two state solution. So Israel has to be encouraged to step back. So western governments have to start applying pressure and no longer give unconditional support for a supposed right of self defence.
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