The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Out of interest what is the death toll of Hamas members so far since the bombing started?
Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
I've been trying to find out how many Hamas fighters were killed in Israel proper during/immediately after the invasion. The IDF claimed 1,500 dead just after, but nobody seems to be including them in any conflict totals Subsequently.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
It's in Israel's interest to maximise the figure, In Hamas's interest to minimize it whilst playing up the number of civilian casualties. But tbh probably no-one knows for sure, The death counts on both sides are probably higher than anyone actually knows for sure.There was an article a few days ago that the IDF so far had 307 soldiers killed which is more than the total number of British ones that died in the Falklands or Iraq and only another 100 before it gets to the same number that died in Afghanistan over 20 years.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
As much as I’m loathed to link to Morgan’s content this interview was interesting, not seen anyone else suggest Israel should allow Gaza’s civilians out of Gaza and remain in Israel until the current conflict is over…
Cid
Proper break this time
Never really going to be known I guess... Not exactly in Hamas' interests to state x or y was a Hamas member (obviously talking about those not killed in the Oct 7th attack). The Hamas list is out there, but dunno if there's a translation yet. It gives ages and gender.
You can download it via below link... Don't know the Palestinian Chronicle, seems to be US based 501(3)c, i.e a not for profit, but the download link works either way. The PDF is searchable, so you can copy categories etc into google translate.
‘These are the Names of Our Martyrs’: Gaza’s Ministry of Health Responds to Biden’s Claims - PDF
Hours after Biden suggested that Palestinians are lying regarding the number of civilians killed, Gaza Health Ministry issued a report.
www.palestinechronicle.com
Just... because, here are the names of 5 children, probably badly translate by google, and not knowing how the matronymic/patronymics work:
Aya Hossam Amin Hassouna age 8
Karam Youssef Omar Arouq age 5
Darin Tawfiq Faisal Akila age 11
Nada Wissam Amin Hassouna age 7
Muhammad Baraa Tayseer Shaheen age 10
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Last I read, there were around 1500 people listed as missing. Most of those will be dead.
Grim beyond belief to have the job of collating the hundreds of names of the dead each day, knowing your name may be on tomorrow's list.
Grim beyond belief to have the job of collating the hundreds of names of the dead each day, knowing your name may be on tomorrow's list.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I haven't seen any figures from Israel regarding the number of dead Hamas fighters since the bombing raids started, have you?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Up to date on subs or including people in arrears?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Not sure if Israeli intelligence is that good unless they've got the membership secretary in their pocket.
Cid
Proper break this time
Yes, you'd think Israel had worked out how many they'd killed/captured by now. But The39thStep I think was asking about those after the attack.
Thread I think needed a link to the health authority doc... Most agencies seem to think it's reliable, and is of course an under count.
We can probably safely say that the 2913 children weren't Hamas.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
They claimed they had killed about 1500 in Israel who were the ones who didn't make it back before the border shut, since then they've claimed to have killed '1,000's' in bombing raids but these claims are suspect to say the least. I suspect the final death tolls combatants and non-combatants alike will not be known until the fighting is over.
andysays
Love and solidarity
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
IIRC I think Sissi mentioned it as an idea (housing Gazans in the Negev) when Blinken et al were trying to bribe him into admitting them into the Sinai.
Much more nuanced than I expected. Very interesting interview. We need more of this progressive thinking.
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
My friend Medyan has now lost all contact with his three Palestinian photojournalists in Gaza, as Israel have now cut off all coms. No internet or phone. There are Palestinian, American & British journalists at the border, but they can’t get out.
The bombardment of Gaza has intensified to the point they’ll flatten it - in all his years he’s never known it to be like this.
Fuck
The bombardment of Gaza has intensified to the point they’ll flatten it - in all his years he’s never known it to be like this.
Fuck
Cid
Proper break this time
I think because it's so wildly improbable that Netanyahu would even contemplate it... Forget whether it's been mentioned in the thread, or might have been Harari mentioned it in the podcast you posted way back, but remember it coming up somewhere. It would also require a colossal aid effort (I mean not that the current situation doesn't, but it's a lot easier for those in power to ignore when they can deny responsibility). And issues of trust etc.
I think it's easy to look at this small spot on a map and say 'well, why can't they just...'. We're talking about safe accommodation for the population of Birmingham (the city itself + a bit of metro). Also a deeply traumatised population... It justifies an effort on that level (though whether that specific plan would be appropriate seems.. debatable). But it's not going to happen.
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Flavour
hang the bankers
Israel will need to offer something more than just an end to the current bombing campaign in order to extract the kind of concessions from Hamas that Netanyahu could potentially sell as a victory to the Israeli public. I think for the Israeli public victory = maximum number possible of hostages released alive and well
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Fingers crossed it's enough war surgery kits
Pickman's model
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Victory for the zionists is death for the Palestinians
Raheem
Well-Known Member
I wonder if Hamas has thought of offering Netanyahu immunity from prosecution.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Platinumsage has on this very thread
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
They might take the death sentence off the table
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
Wouldn’t surprise me. Cant see a ground invasion now either - BN is a dead man walking & he knows it.
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