Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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Plastic Paddy
Ah, but truth is a defence to slander!
Gramsci
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When the UN partition was set out the Zionists did not like the fact that the land they got, which was a lot considering they at the time were small part of the population, contained not surprisingly a lot of Arabs.
So they set about ethnic cleansing them out of area UN had given to them.
Ive gone over this more than once on this thread.
To somehow argue that this is two sides evenly matched is not historically accurate.
Jews ( the Zionists amongst them) at time of the mandate were not the majority population. Yet they still not happy with what the UN gave them.
Israel is a settler colonial state that now practises apartheid.
Ive just got home watching Al Jazeera. Israel imo bombing of Gaza is the typical behaviour of Zionists. They never had any respect for the indigenous people. So no suprise to me they are flattening where they live/ telling them to leave.
Its like 1948 all over again
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
pish poor
PTK
Paul Kegan
You are inconsistent, in that you condemn the Republic of Egypt for not allowing Palestinians to cross onto its territory (on which they have never lived), but support the State of Israel not allowing the return of the families of people expelled from the land on which they were living. The latter prohibition is the root of the conflict. There cannot be peace until it is addressed. Not only has the expulsion of Palestinian Arabs from their land never been addressed, it has continued on and off for 75 years. Palestinian Arab land continues to be appropriated.
Gramsci
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Just watching Al Jazeera - one of their journalists had his family killed in bombing. He had moved them but no where in Gaza is safe from Israels collective punishment of palestinians.
Remember some of the placards on the demo last Saturday said Israel is a Terrorist State.
After watching the news this evening Id say under this Israeli government it is.
Remember some of the placards on the demo last Saturday said Israel is a Terrorist State.
After watching the news this evening Id say under this Israeli government it is.
Gramsci
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I've got to say, I think this was entirely deliberate:
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Israel-Hamas live updates: 6,500 Palestinians killed by Israel in Gaza
Al Jazeera Arabic’s Wael Dahdouh’s wife, son and daughter among family members killed after home hit.www.aljazeera.com
Just been watching this. Heart rending.
Gramsci
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Head of UN Antonio Guturres now having to defend himself on Al Jazeera
As he put in the context yesterday he's got a lot of stick.
Condemning Hamas attack and saying their is a context isn't enough.
As I said yesterday I thought his speech was good,
Taking this kind of view upsets people. Including here on U75.
As he put in the context yesterday he's got a lot of stick.
Condemning Hamas attack and saying their is a context isn't enough.
As I said yesterday I thought his speech was good,
Taking this kind of view upsets people. Including here on U75.
Gramsci
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USA is still sending Israel weapons/ sending military advisors to support war criminals.
This is not proportionate self defence. Its mass bombing killing a loads of civilians.
Israel have been doing this enough days to know the effects of the bombings but still do it
This is not a mistake. Or tactic that has failed. Its what they want to do.
This is not proportionate self defence. Its mass bombing killing a loads of civilians.
Israel have been doing this enough days to know the effects of the bombings but still do it
This is not a mistake. Or tactic that has failed. Its what they want to do.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
You've got to wonder about the mentality of a person who finds themselves habitually conversing with "fucking loons" and keeps on doing it ...
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
It's got to be time to do away with the veto at the UN security council, tonight there's two votes, one on a US proposal calling for a 'pause' in fighting to allow aid to flow, which will be vetoed by Russia, because they have put forward a proposal calling for a 'ceasefire' for the same reason, which the US will veto. 
mojo pixy
...שלא נמצא בשמאל
Of course Israel never likes the context being pointed at. And the current mob ('mob' used advisedly) running the place have been assiduously working for years now to equate criticism of Israel with anti-semitism, so as soon as anyone starts contextualising then out come the slurs. Which not only debases and dangerously blurs the concept of anti-semitism itself, but essentially demands that all Jews everywhere associate themselves with this absolute bully of a country. It's quite deliberate of course - trying by association to paint an Israel-shaped target on every Jewish back in the world, at which point Israel opens its arms and says, 'but you can come here and be safe!'
It just makes my brain hurt tbh.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
It's got to be time to do away with the veto at the UN security council, tonight there's two votes, one on a US proposal calling for a 'pause' in fighting to allow aid to flow, which will be vetoed by Russia, because they have put forward a proposal calling for a 'ceasefire' for the same reason, which the US will veto.
Is that the order they are going in? If its the Russian proposal first they'll veto that, but I can't see anyone vetoing a pause if that is the only thing left.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
According to Sky, they think the US proposal will go first.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Traditionally they take motions in alphabetical order by country
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
Can you verify that photo with a date? Or are you here just to solely pour petrol on the flames?Meeting with the Boss: Rt Honrourable Sheikh Nasrallah
Gramsci
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It's got to be time to do away with the veto at the UN security council, tonight there's two votes, one on a US proposal calling for a 'pause' in fighting to allow aid to flow, which will be vetoed by Russia, because they have put forward a proposal calling for a 'ceasefire' for the same reason, which the US will veto.
What happened to Brazil. I thought idea in UN was to get one of the more independent countries who do not have such a big stake in the region to head any proposals. Someone more neutral.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Hezbollah and Hamas leaders meet in Beirut as IDF urges world to 'rally around Israel'
The senior militant leaders have met as Israel is widely expected to carry out a ground invasion of Gaza - with fears growing the war between Israel and Hamas could grow into a wider conflict.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
The US vetoed that one last week
Last Monday, a previous Russian-led draft resolution calling for an “immediate humanitarian ceasefire” was voted down at the Council, and the following Wednesday, the United States vetoed a Brazilian-led text that urged “humanitarian pauses” to deliver aid to millions in the Gaza Strip.
Israel-Palestine: Security Council moves towards vote on new resolutions over Gaza crisis
With the failure of two resolutions calling for a humanitarian pause in Gaza, the Security Council is expected to take up two new proposals, led by Russia and United States, aimed at bringing relief to civilians in the besieged enclave.news.un.org
donkyboy
Crazy Cat/Fox man
Nice try
Hezbollah and Hamas leaders meet in Beirut as IDF urges world to 'rally around Israel'
The senior militant leaders have met as Israel is widely expected to carry out a ground invasion of Gaza - with fears growing the war between Israel and Hamas could grow into a wider conflict.
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Plastic Paddy
Not all lefties are fucking loons but many (especially on these boards) do fly straight down the bonkers rabbit hole on a couple of topics, Israel being one of them. I generally avoid those topics with them because they can be otherwise engaging. In fact, some of my best friends are lefties.
Gramsci
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Yes I know. Still I thought it was a compromise. Having US and Russia doing different ones isnt going to help.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
A proposal to abolish the veto will of course be veto'ed.It's got to be time to do away with the veto at the UN security council, tonight there's two votes, one on a US proposal calling for a 'pause' in fighting to allow aid to flow, which will be vetoed by Russia, because they have put forward a proposal calling for a 'ceasefire' for the same reason, which the US will veto.
It's pretty daft that countries like the UK, France and even Russia still have permanent seats whereas countries like Germany, Japan and India don't but change isn't likely.
The US only joined the UN because it was agreed it could have a permanent veto (it wasn't part of the League of Nations because it couldn't have a veto over it). If the US veto is abolished the US will almost certainly leave the UN. If the US left I can't imagine China would be arsed with it either so it would be even more of a pointless talking shop than it is now.
Gramsci
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Kind of getting annoyed about this stuff about loons/ Hamas apologists and posters being put off this thread because of the posts on it.
There are several threads on U75 Ive on ignore. Anyone who does not like a thread can put it on ignore. If the content upsets them. I don't keep going on about threads I've on ignore. I take the rough with the smooth.
Its not that hard.
More than once come up that some posters stopped posting here. Is that the fault of some posters here? If so and some people are that upset posts can be reported.
I do not see people being bullied off this thread. I see a lot of heated opinion - which is hardly surprising given the news.
There are several threads on U75 Ive on ignore. Anyone who does not like a thread can put it on ignore. If the content upsets them. I don't keep going on about threads I've on ignore. I take the rough with the smooth.
Its not that hard.
More than once come up that some posters stopped posting here. Is that the fault of some posters here? If so and some people are that upset posts can be reported.
I do not see people being bullied off this thread. I see a lot of heated opinion - which is hardly surprising given the news.
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
Nice try what? Just post the fucking link in the first place & stop playing the dick.Nice try
Hezbollah and Hamas leaders meet in Beirut as IDF urges world to 'rally around Israel'
The senior militant leaders have met as Israel is widely expected to carry out a ground invasion of Gaza - with fears growing the war between Israel and Hamas could grow into a wider conflict.news.sky.com
I don't agree with much Platinum sage says on this thread but maybe he has some kind of point about Egypt. Sisi and Mubarak have been more than willing to enforce the Israeli blockade and people have called for them to let people and goods in and out. Egypt should be taking people from Gaza ( as should Israel at the very least if they insist on bombing it) and the rest of the world should be helping anyone forced/taking the decision to leave as well. Generally Israel have wanted land without the people and are again hoping to use ethnic cleansing to that end but I'm not sure that means that those in Gaza should have to stay and endure whatever Israel throws at the strip.
Starmer won't issue a call for a ceasefire in Gaza but apparently he is in favour of Anthony Blinken's proposal for "humanitarian -pauses" to allow aid in.How does that make any kind of sense?What does it mean?Is the suggestion that the F16s circle around a bit while a convoy of trucks rumbles into Gaza and then resumes the blitzkrieg just as before? The man seems to be an utter cunt!
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Plastic Paddy
Nobody has suggested that. But people have definitely stopped posting because of the weights of opinion and aggression, and others not get involved at all for the same reasons. No complaints here but it works both ways.
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