Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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platinumsage
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IDF strikes Syria after rocket attack on north; 8 Syrian soldiers said killed
Air Force hits Syrian military infrastructure and mortar launching sites after two rockets land near Golan Heights communitieswww.timesofisrael.com
They also struck Aleppo airport's runway, two hours after repairs were finished from a previous strike and in probably the fifth or sixth such repeat of this cycle since the war began.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
This BBC documentary looks of interest. It is about the settlers on the West Bank.
Louis Theroux Specials - Ultra Zionists
Louis Theroux spends time with ultra-nationalist Jewish settlers, who consider it their religious and political obligation to populate some of the sensitive areas of the West Bank.www.bbc.co.uk
Don't think I've seen this particular Theroux episode. Just sampled 5 minutes and it looks great - already a retort to those who think it's the Muslims who solely harbour the religious nutters. Will watch the rest later.
PTK
Paul Kegan
You have still not answered this question:
Would you be happy with the air force dropping a bomb on the block of flats in which you lived, because the air force believed that a leading figure in an enemy group lived there?
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
On the subject of Israeli preparedness, or lack thereof:
www.israeltoday.co.il
Plenty of quotable quotes in that one, but I'll ask about this:
“In my role as general, I have visited more than 1,400 units and spoken to tens of thousands of commanders and soldiers, three to four times a week, four hours in each unit. I know the army on the ground better than anyone in the Israel Defense Forces,” Brick said years ago. “I have seen soldiers who do not take care of their weapons before leaving the base. No army in the world behaves like this. The soldiers carry their smartphones with them everywhere. Commands are sent via WhatsApp groups. These phones are being tracked by the enemy.”
likesfish kebabking Can that bit in bold possibly be true? An entire army staffed by Private Pike's idiot cousins?
Delusional, or prophetic? One IDF general warned a massacre would happen
Most dismissed retired IDF general Yitzhak Brick's warning earlier this year of a Hamas invasion. Now Netanyahu wants his advice on how to win.
www.israeltoday.co.il
Plenty of quotable quotes in that one, but I'll ask about this:
“In my role as general, I have visited more than 1,400 units and spoken to tens of thousands of commanders and soldiers, three to four times a week, four hours in each unit. I know the army on the ground better than anyone in the Israel Defense Forces,” Brick said years ago. “I have seen soldiers who do not take care of their weapons before leaving the base. No army in the world behaves like this. The soldiers carry their smartphones with them everywhere. Commands are sent via WhatsApp groups. These phones are being tracked by the enemy.”
likesfish kebabking Can that bit in bold possibly be true? An entire army staffed by Private Pike's idiot cousins?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Article on the divisions in the EU over Israel and Gaza
responsiblestatecraft.org
EU's vaunted unity is disintegrating over Gaza crisis
Hamas's attack and Israel's response have pitted member states and institutions against each other, and it's spilling over in public.
responsiblestatecraft.org
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yes: eg https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...915662-0441-11e8-aa61-f3391373867e_story.html not to mention that last year the us army felt they had to have this article in one of their magazines Small Arms: What You Should Know About Weapon CleaningOn the subject of Israeli preparedness, or lack thereof:
Delusional, or prophetic? One IDF general warned a massacre would happen
Most dismissed retired IDF general Yitzhak Brick's warning earlier this year of a Hamas invasion. Now Netanyahu wants his advice on how to win.
Plenty of quotable quotes in that one, but I'll ask about this:
“In my role as general, I have visited more than 1,400 units and spoken to tens of thousands of commanders and soldiers, three to four times a week, four hours in each unit. I know the army on the ground better than anyone in the Israel Defense Forces,” Brick said years ago. “I have seen soldiers who do not take care of their weapons before leaving the base. No army in the world behaves like this. The soldiers carry their smartphones with them everywhere. Commands are sent via WhatsApp groups. These phones are being tracked by the enemy.”
likesfish kebabking Can that bit in bold possibly be true? An entire army staffed by Private Pike's idiot cousins?
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
just fuck off, you apartheid loving cunt.
Larry O'Hara
Well-Known Member
Not-as good as originals
PTK
Paul Kegan
You cannot justify your point of view?
cloudyday
caput mortuum
Finally. About time someone told that ball ache to fuck off instead of trying to reason with it.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Except no one actually did that, every reply was just pointing out how dumb your post was, and why it was dumb.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Ask my via PM if you really need to, I don’t like encouraging other people to clutter up the thread by piling in to my replies.
How dumb the analogy was, although it wasn’t mine.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
Hah, I'd just written "From what I've seen your answers are most often followed by people telling you why you're being a dickhead" then I saw you'd beaten me to it
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
They're nearly half way towards reducing Gaza to rubble.
Numbers from the UN.
By the time they're done, 10s of thousands of people will be dead. There will then be 2 million people left with nowhere to live in Gaza and nowhere else to go.
Numbers from the UN.
By the time they're done, 10s of thousands of people will be dead. There will then be 2 million people left with nowhere to live in Gaza and nowhere else to go.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
On the subject of Israeli preparedness, or lack thereof:
Delusional, or prophetic? One IDF general warned a massacre would happen
Most dismissed retired IDF general Yitzhak Brick's warning earlier this year of a Hamas invasion. Now Netanyahu wants his advice on how to win.
Plenty of quotable quotes in that one, but I'll ask about this:
“In my role as general, I have visited more than 1,400 units and spoken to tens of thousands of commanders and soldiers, three to four times a week, four hours in each unit. I know the army on the ground better than anyone in the Israel Defense Forces,” Brick said years ago. “I have seen soldiers who do not take care of their weapons before leaving the base. No army in the world behaves like this. The soldiers carry their smartphones with them everywhere. Commands are sent via WhatsApp groups. These phones are being tracked by the enemy.”
likesfish kebabking Can that bit in bold possibly be true? An entire army staffed by Private Pike's idiot cousins?
Depends?
Israel has long had a problem with soldiers doing their national service in garrison/policing type roles having very poor morale, and soldiers with low morale tend be a bit slack/ill-disciplined. Leadership can play a huge role as well - a poor/disinterested commander can have a toxic/corrosive effect on morale/standards, and if there's a pool of discontent/disinterest already existing, the results can be catastrophic.
From what I see, it was a perfect storm: conscripted soldiers serving on the the Gaza border which was fairly quiet and the job being bossing civvies about, and the wide, and very deep, political unhappiness within the Israeli military, and wider Israeli society, about the way the Netanyahu govt has sought to change some of the fundamentals of Israel as a state.
All feeding into a 'don't want to be here, doing this job' atmosphere.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
platinumsage's response was completely fair. They answered someone else's analogy/question and was then piled on by people accusing them of using a stupid analogy.
PTK
Paul Kegan
You are frightened to state on a public forum that you do not believe in principles being applied universally?
You wish a principle to be applied to others that you would not wish to be applied to yourself?
If you lived in one of those blocks of flats, you would oppose it being bombed, but you are happy for it to be bombed if you do not live in it?
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
The question he was being asked was fair - he's been saying it's completely reasonable to bomb people's homes if there might be a Hamas member in them, so was asked whether he'd still think that if it was his home. His response calling it an inane question and refusing to answer was bullshit.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
I was referring to this answer which received a number of replies criticising the analogy, which wasn’t even mine but PTKs
Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
It would be nice, but such threads tend to be ignored. For example “The long term causes of war in Ukraine” thread has 29 posts in 18 months compared to 27,000 for the main thread of mostly one-liners. I’d start such a thread myself but would no doubt be accused of having ulterior motives by...
www.urban75.net
PTK then badgered me to answer another of their analogy questions and I refused because what’s the point if people criticise me for thinking up the analogy? Happy to receive numerous PMs of hate if people want to interrogate me without cluttering the thread.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
That's not what happened.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
No idea how
IDF is a coscript army, now the Paras and similar units are still very good but unless conscripts are ridden very hard or know there's an imment threat they get slack you get 22 year old sgts in the IDF who've done three years. In the British army the average is 10 in an infantry unit a corporal has probably done 6.On the subject of Israeli preparedness, or lack thereof:
Delusional, or prophetic? One IDF general warned a massacre would happen
Most dismissed retired IDF general Yitzhak Brick's warning earlier this year of a Hamas invasion. Now Netanyahu wants his advice on how to win.
Plenty of quotable quotes in that one, but I'll ask about this:
“In my role as general, I have visited more than 1,400 units and spoken to tens of thousands of commanders and soldiers, three to four times a week, four hours in each unit. I know the army on the ground better than anyone in the Israel Defense Forces,” Brick said years ago. “I have seen soldiers who do not take care of their weapons before leaving the base. No army in the world behaves like this. The soldiers carry their smartphones with them everywhere. Commands are sent via WhatsApp groups. These phones are being tracked by the enemy.”
likesfish kebabking Can that bit in bold possibly be true? An entire army staffed by Private Pike's idiot cousins?
nobody doesn't clean their rifle it wouldn't even cross somebody's mind not to do so.
Met some Italian conscripts once they were reduced to tears by one of our sgts who shouted at them not even in angry mode. The IDF rested on it's laurels it's still a 1000X better than the Egyptian or Jordanian army's
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
he's an apologist for war crimes being committed by an apartheid state. Fuck him and his disingenuous bullshit.
mojo pixy
שיר חדש
Pickman's model Google translate has this to say about 'nabka':
so maybe it's .. staying that way...
so maybe it's .. staying that way...
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
The SANDF might recently have committed war crimes in Mozambique which I won’t apologise for but SA ceased being an apartheid state some time ago.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
The issue isn't pile ons, things cluttering up the thread, though I conceded there's probably a law of diminishing returns with regard to getting you to actually address what is happening to the Palestinians right now. The issue is how you manage to obfuscate and faff on when the bombs are falling and people's lives are being blown apart. I get it, yes, your sympathies are with Israel and the true horrors of what happened on the 7th. But isn't there just a bit of you, even at a simple human level, that can recognise this horror? And from that, admit that Israel's currently policy is profoundly wrong?
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