Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion

[platinumsage]

A bunch of stuff that's unproven means that everything else is obvious. Take a break mate.

Even the UN are parroting the Islamist terrorist figures without caveat, so I may as well.

 

[Ax^]

Even the UN are parroting the Islamist terrorist figures without caveat, so I may as well.

well we have a Putinbot we may as well have a Bibibot

 

[kabbes]

Yes it’s clear that even remarking on casualty data is genocide denial or something.

I mean, yes, denying data relating to large-scale civilian deaths could certainly qualify as genocide denial. I guess we’ll have to see where it goes, hey? Since you see nothing wrong so far at all with anything Israel has done in Gaza.

 

[Wilf]

Am I on board with the Palestinian terrorists torturing and killing civilians in response to stringent border controls on Gaza and settlement expansion in the West Bank? No, I'm not. HTH etc

Yeah, stringent border controls, bit of red tape. Don't know why they are so worked up.

 

[elbows]

If there isnt a proverb about a platinum sages wisdom emanating from their brass eye then there probably should be.

 

[Gramsci]

Antonio Guterres said on rules of war in his speech today

We must demand that all parties uphold and respect their obligations under international humanitarian law; take constant care in the conduct of military operations to spare civilians; and respect and protect hospitals and respect the inviolability of UN facilities which today are sheltering more than 600,000 Palestinians.

 

[Pickman's model]

well we have a Putinbot we may as well have a Bibibot

One day we'll be able to say bye bye bibibot

 

[Knotted]

Even the UN are parroting the Islamist terrorist figures without caveat, so I may as well.

Gazan authorities are not the same thing as Hamas.

Israel's apologists for war crimes have long railed against the UN. See here.

Anyway as the water shortages kick in we're going to start seeing much higher civilian deaths than we're seeing even now. The 1400 Israelis and the 471 at the Abu-Ahli hospital will seem like peanuts and all this squabbling will seem like quibbling. Get out onto the street and protest.

 

[platinumsage]

Gazan authorities are not the same thing as Hamas.

They are now, especially with respect to their public statements.

 

[Knotted]

They are now, especially with respect to their public statements.

I think you've gone quite potty tbh.

 

[platinumsage]

Antonio Guterres said on rules of war in his speech today

I'm in full agreement with that. Also, I remember the widespread condemnation on here when Hezbollah seized UN facilities a few days ago.

 

[Ax^]

I'm in full agreement with that. Also, I remember the widespread condemnation on here when Hezbollah seized UN facilities a few days ago.

do you have an instagram link for that as well

 

[Rimbaud]

well we have a Putinbot we may as well have a Bibibot

We just need a Nakba denial and that's Bingo.

 

[The39thStep]

Well you can start with the 900 killed in the Al-Ahli Baptist Hospital parking lot rocket misfire incident. Quickly revised to 473, but probably around 100.

Ah information , can’t have too much of that stuff

 

[planetgeli]

I'm in full agreement with that. Also, I remember the widespread condemnation on here when Hezbollah seized UN facilities a few days ago.

I know I'm going to regret this but...go on. I googled using your exact words and...nothing.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

Yep. The Israeli state does not want peace. Hasn't done for at least the last 20 years. That's the reality here. Asking 'what do you think Israel should have done?' is an absurd question really.

Actually, they want peace in the sense of the quote Tacitus attributed to English resistance leader Calcagus—“you create a desert and call it peace”. The desert is Gaza and thus reducing it to rubble is no accident but strategic.

 

[PTK]

When it suits them. Also when it suits them they inflate figures, as is obviously happening now.



Yes it’s clear that even remarking on casualty data is genocide denial or something.

Burying people alive in the ruins of their blocks of flats is disgusting, and you are quibbling about numbers. Are you a bloody accountant?

 

[Spymaster]

Actually, they want peace in the sense of the quote Tacitus attributed to English resistance leader Calcagus—“you create a desert and call it peace”.

Calcagus was not English.

 

[agricola]

I know I'm going to regret this but...go on. I googled using your exact words and...nothing.

I think it was meant to be the claim that Hamas had looted a UNRWA compound in Gaza City (after the staff had been evacuated south), which UNRWA later confirmed was medical supplies going to (some very busy) hospitals and not looting.

https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/official-statements/urgent-clarification-unrwa

 

[PTK]

"Seventy-five MPs have now signed Richard Burgon’s EDM calling for a ceasefire in Gaza. Nearly half of Labour’s backbenchers have endorsed the call, including many not on the left of the Party, including Stephen Timms, Liam Byrne, Tony Lloyd, Mohammad Yasin, Rupa Huq, Sarah Champion, Debbie Abrahams and Jon Cruddas."

Gaza: Pressure intensifies for a ceasefire

Seventy-five MPs have now signed Richard Burgon’s EDM calling for a ceasefire in Gaza. Nearly half of Labour’s backbenchers have endorsed the call, including many not on the left of the Party, incl…

labourhub.org.uk

 

[PTK]

Protecting civilians in Gaza and Israel​

https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/61430

 

[cupid_stunt]

I think it was meant to be the claim that Hamas had looted a UNRWA compound in Gaza City (after the staff had been evacuated south), which UNRWA later confirmed was medical supplies going to (some very busy) hospitals and not looting.

https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/official-statements/urgent-clarification-unrwa

platinumsage, is this what you were on about?

 

[WhyLikeThis]

platinumsage and spymaster hang on to any old old right wing position there is. If they were Palestinian, they’d both be Hamas supporters.

 

[PTK]

platinumsage, is this what you were on about?

Look anyone can confuse Lebanese Shia with Palestinian Sunni.

 

[The39thStep]

"Seventy-five MPs have now signed Richard Burgon’s EDM calling for a ceasefire in Gaza. Nearly half of Labour’s backbenchers have endorsed the call, including many not on the left of the Party, including Stephen Timms, Liam Byrne, Tony Lloyd, Mohammad Yasin, Rupa Huq, Sarah Champion, Debbie Abrahams and Jon Cruddas."

Gaza: Pressure intensifies for a ceasefire

Seventy-five MPs have now signed Richard Burgon’s EDM calling for a ceasefire in Gaza. Nearly half of Labour’s backbenchers have endorsed the call, including many not on the left of the Party, incl…

labourhub.org.uk

Probably struggle to get passed here these days regrettably.

 

[Spymaster]

platinumsage and spymaster hang on to any old old right wing position there is.

Being considered right-wing for taking positions that really aren't, reinforces my opinion that, in the company of fucking loons, it's a label to cherish.

 

[PTK]

"Israeli journalist Gideon Levy says unless real lessons are learnt from October 7 about its treatment of Palestinians, Israel is destined to repeat the same bloody mistakes in Gaza and arrive no closer to a solution."

 

[Larry O'Hara]

Calcagus was not English.

Yes I think Scottish sorry

 

[agricola]

Yes I think Scottish sorry

Nope, if anything he was British

 

[Karl Masks]

"Israeli journalist Gideon Levy says unless real lessons are learnt from October 7 about its treatment of Palestinians, Israel is destined to repeat the same bloody mistakes in Gaza and arrive no closer to a solution."

Will listen, but it's a fairly obvious conclusion: what is the logic of bombing the shit out of where the hostages are obviously being held. They claim to know where hostages are hiding. They have the technology to record priviate conversations between militants which implies the tools to locate them, but they don't send in special ops teams to receover them. Instead collective punishment.