PTK
Paul Kegan
Well, I did not imagine that Starmer would go as far as justifying the cutting off of the means of life to the civilian population.
Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
PTK
Paul Kegan
Who predicted it, then? Who said: “You know what, I reckon that Labour councillors will be resigning, or threatening to resign, over the Leader’s statement on the Gaza Strip, and he will be forced to try to row back on what he said.”
HazeyCosmicJive
Member
Sadly my view of this is that there is no solution and "the west" need to choose a side. Two-state solution solves nothing. Single state solution is impossible because Palestinians will outnumber Israelis and that would be extremely bad news for Israelis as October 7th showed.
Much as I dislike a lot of what Israel is doing I am not sure what alternative they have. How should they have responded to events of 7th October? What would have been an appropriate and proportionate response? Or were they expected to do nothing? Hamas ran back into Gaza with their hostages and are now hiding behind women and children. If anyone is to blame for what is happening to the people of Gaza it is Hamas. I don't want to see Palestinian women and kids blown to pieces but nor do I want to see Israelis slaughtered in their own homes, bodies beheaded, young women kidnapped and abused. I have chosen my side and I am sticking with it.
Finally, I will be most surprised if it does turn out to be an Israeli rocket that hit the hospital. There will be fragments of it all over the place and I am sure the Palestinians would have been more than happy to show them.
Much as I dislike a lot of what Israel is doing I am not sure what alternative they have. How should they have responded to events of 7th October? What would have been an appropriate and proportionate response? Or were they expected to do nothing? Hamas ran back into Gaza with their hostages and are now hiding behind women and children. If anyone is to blame for what is happening to the people of Gaza it is Hamas. I don't want to see Palestinian women and kids blown to pieces but nor do I want to see Israelis slaughtered in their own homes, bodies beheaded, young women kidnapped and abused. I have chosen my side and I am sticking with it.
Finally, I will be most surprised if it does turn out to be an Israeli rocket that hit the hospital. There will be fragments of it all over the place and I am sure the Palestinians would have been more than happy to show them.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
Whatever hit the hospital was small, so there are not going to be metre-long fragments with either Arabic or Hebrew graffiti on.
HazeyCosmicJive
Member
Can't have been that small if it killed hundreds and wounded thousands.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
You'd be surprised, when Israel was actually firing rockets into Gaza?
PTK
Paul Kegan
Why is the Gaza Strip is so overcrowded?
It is because most of the people who live there come from families who were expelled from, or fled, their homes in 1948 due to the violence and threatened violence of Zionist militias. The towns in the south of the State of Israel that get bombarded by Hamas et al were originally Arab settlements that were taken over and renamed.
The children and grandchildren of refugees are still regarded as refugees by the United Nations. This principle applies to Somalis, Greek and Turkish Cypriots, and those who fled Western Sahara when it was occupied by the Kingdom of Morocco. According to the UN, 80% of the people in the Gaza Strip are refugees.
The only just settlement is a single secular, democratic state, in which the refugees have the right to return. A bi-national state, in which the two nations – Israeli Jews and Palestinian Arabs – are guaranteed “parity of esteem” (as it is called in the Belfast Good Friday Agreement).
Palestinian Arabs do not have an instinctual desire to slaughter every Israeli Jew, anymore than the Irish Republican Army wanted to slaughter every Protestant in Northern Ireland.
It is because most of the people who live there come from families who were expelled from, or fled, their homes in 1948 due to the violence and threatened violence of Zionist militias. The towns in the south of the State of Israel that get bombarded by Hamas et al were originally Arab settlements that were taken over and renamed.
The children and grandchildren of refugees are still regarded as refugees by the United Nations. This principle applies to Somalis, Greek and Turkish Cypriots, and those who fled Western Sahara when it was occupied by the Kingdom of Morocco. According to the UN, 80% of the people in the Gaza Strip are refugees.
The only just settlement is a single secular, democratic state, in which the refugees have the right to return. A bi-national state, in which the two nations – Israeli Jews and Palestinian Arabs – are guaranteed “parity of esteem” (as it is called in the Belfast Good Friday Agreement).
Palestinian Arabs do not have an instinctual desire to slaughter every Israeli Jew, anymore than the Irish Republican Army wanted to slaughter every Protestant in Northern Ireland.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
That's possibly true, although it's difficult to be sure, and Hamas claim otherwise. But it didn't leave a large crater, so it definitely was a light projectile and not a building-busting rocket.
Larry O'Hara
Well-Known Member
Check this out: to those apologists who say if only Hamas vanished/were destroyed how about this ethnic cleansing on the West Bank where there is no Hamas?
TopCat
Putin fanboy
We will know a lot about those two. US people matter.
Yossarian
⏭️
And yet you seem to be the only one going on about them.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
He claims to be "clarifying precisely what I was saying in the LBC clip"?
That's a lie. He literally said that Israel has the right to cut off power and water supplies.
He's like fucking Comical Ali during the Gulf War. He's literally on video saying it.
Why can't he just admit, "yeah, in the middle of a live interview, I mispoke, I got it wrong, I apologise. And I'm now correcting my previous comments: Israel cutting off Gaza's electricity and water supplies is collective punishment, which is illegal under international law, and furthermore it's going to create a humanitarian catastrophe, and I call on the Israeli authorities to restore supplies now."
Cunt.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
He's as honest as the day is long. And the nights are drawing in.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
He's about as honest as a Scandinavian winter's day in that case.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Tbh western countries can't really choose to support international law in Ukraine and ignore it in gaza without it having repercussions down the line. If you agree, as you do, with collective punishments, bombing people as they flee, and killing people with thirst then you should check your moral compass. Oh: and continuing as things are is very bad news for the Palestinians as so many days since 1947 have shown.
I'm surprised by that. Only been on here with any regularity this year.And yet you've been a member of Urban75 for nearly a decade.
teqniq
DisMembered
Really? Fuck off.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
During Operation Cast Lead, Al Jazeera English was the only English-language news broadcaster who happened to have reporters in Gaza when it started - Sherine Tadros and Ayman Mohyeldin - so of course reports from within Gaza had a relatively limited audience.
Were you born on the 6th October?
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AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
That's horrific. Surely Harpin and others are aware of Nazi propaganda that equated Jewish people to lice and cockroaches and vermin, etc. Dehumanising and Othering those who've quit - presumably some Palestinians, and presumably plus Arab, Asian, other Muslim party members, and perhaps including some Jewish members who object to the Israeli government's actions - and referring to them as fleas is just vile.
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
"A platform that can mimic humans’ writing with no commitment to the truth is a gift for those who benefit from disinformation. We need to regulate its use now"
fucking hell another non apology apologyAnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
Too late now though. Lots of people will have heard Burley attribute the (made up) quote to the Palestinian Ambassador and they will have believed it, and they might not see the correction. The lie is still out there.
"a lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes"
Elpenor
Dancing as fast as I can
While this is going on, settlers continue to take land in the West Bank by smashing up peoples homes and livelihoods
www.theguardian.com
Pretty sure that similar was done in the US West against the native Americans, and countless more episodes throughout history
‘The most successful land-grab strategy since 1967’ as settlers push Bedouins off West Bank territory
Herders report violence driving them from their homes in accelerating, aggressive and highly effective campaign
Pretty sure that similar was done in the US West against the native Americans, and countless more episodes throughout history
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