Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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Larry O'Hara
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When I ticked like I meant for the information, not the fact of the murders…
Larry O'Hara
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Starmer is utter venal lying scum. End of.
Larry O'Hara
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Pleasantly surprised by her…."In reaction, Arye Sharuz Shalicar, spokesman for the Israeli army, told POLITICO: "Whoever identifies with Greta in any way in the future, in my view, is a terror supporter.""
Israeli official slams Greta Thunberg after she backs Palestinians in Gaza
Israeli army spokesperson apologises after saying: ‘Whoever identifies with Greta in any way in the future, in my view, is a terror supporter.’www.politico.eu
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
There's an equivocation going on with what he's saying. Hes asked if Israel has the right (it doesn't) to curtail essential resources. He equivocates to 'humanitarian aid coming in'. That isn't the same thing. I don't even think, at least nominally, Israel are saying that. It takes the heat off them somewhat in the eyes of the international community and it allows them t continue what they are doing because someone else will pick up the pieces. That is what he's supporting. He won't call out Israel for committing war crimes etc, he won't point out the counter intuitive nature of their response given they will inevitablyu have bombed their own hostages, and he doesn't point out that starving children doesn't rescue hostages. Who will feed or medicate those hostages now? He's just making Israel's excuses for them
Larry O'Hara
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What a pity: your clearly insightful well researched and lucid observations will be sorely missed
And you’ve been here nine years?
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Very good to see this.
Eric Jarvis
Well-Known Member
That last being the entire reason for the US position.
PTK
Paul Kegan
Thank you for this.
For those who think that the solution is to simply “destroy Hamas”, here is a quote from the
graveside oration of Patrick Pearse at the funeral of O'Donovan Rossa on 1 August 1915.
“They think that they have pacified Ireland. They think that they have purchased half of us and intimidated the other half. They think that they have foreseen everything, think that they have provided against everything; but the fools, the fools, the fools! – they have left us our Fenian dead, and while Ireland holds these graves, Ireland unfree shall never be at peace.”
PTK
Paul Kegan
Email your MP: Take action to stop the war on Gaza
It is worth emailing your local MP on this issue. You have nothing to lose, and if there are enough emails it may prompt the MP to speak out.
Email your MP: Take action to stop the assault on Gaza
ska invita
back on the other side
I don't want to derail the thread with an abstract conversation about postmodernism, but if anything I would say this war is being experienced more viscerally via film than most any other, what with the majority being one sided fighting being done against and filmed by civilians, and then shared on much watched social media. Ukraine footage is more reliant on soldiers but that's out there too for those who want to see it.
A bit like George Floyd's slow killing, some recent violent events are being experienced much more as a reality than the TV of the 90s.
Israel's 2008 Operation Cast Lead was the killing spree that really opened my eyes and affected me, but the vast majority of the images I saw from that were in print. Mass social media was still in its infancy. This is a very different era for video reportage than 91... Or even 2008...
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8ball
Decolonise colons!
How long have you been on this site?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Good old impartial BBC.
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
MEE 30 minutes ago:
“Israel has warned al-Quds hospital in Gaza to evacuate, the Palestinian Red Crescent said on Friday.
The charity said that Israeli forces had warned them to "immediately evacuate" the hospital, which currently houses over 400 patients and 12,000 displaced civilians.”
ffs
“Israel has warned al-Quds hospital in Gaza to evacuate, the Palestinian Red Crescent said on Friday.
The charity said that Israeli forces had warned them to "immediately evacuate" the hospital, which currently houses over 400 patients and 12,000 displaced civilians.”
ffs
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
They're probably worried Hamas will fire a rocket at them.
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
Oh yes, let's get some more sources that aren't just biased, but do so in a way that you can spot it from orbit. One day, we'll know what the hell happened in the hospital parking lot. But it's not this day, nor is it likely soon. In the meantime, it's a terrible distraction from more serious issues.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Apparently they've told five UNRWA schools in Gaza City to evacuate "as soon as possible" as well... at 11pm, when there is no ceasefire and the bombing / shelling continues. Ten thousand plus people told to march in the dark.
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
Hospital blowing up, sure. Who or what did it is, right this moment, a distraction at best. When this is all over and there's a reckoning, yes then it's important. Whether it was an IAF bomb or a rocket from some Hamas splinter group really doesn't matter to the ongoing humanitarian disaster caused by two groups of people whose stated aims are the annihilation of the other, irrespective of the poor fuckers caught up between them.
PTK
Paul Kegan
Perhaps, if the US air crew and their commanders responsible for the deliberate bombing of a hopsital in Hanoi, Vietnam, in 1972 had been prosecuted for this war crime, then. . . but no.
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
It wasn’t fucking Hamas that bombed the Church of Saint Porphyrius yesterday & killed mostly kids was it? You post some good stuff Kev, don’t ruin that now.
thought he meant sarcasm but perhaps i was wrong
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