Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion

[Rimbaud]

Bollocks. Where was all this outrage on here on October 7th last year?

IIRC there was a lot of horror expressed over the attacks and references to them as terrorism, but also tempered by reminders to stay rational and not to let the spectacular and barbaric nature of October 7th cause us to lose sight of the suffering inflicted to Palestinians on a daily basis, and there was also anxieties expressed over what Israeli response would mean for Palestinians and the region. Meanwhile you were banging the drum for anything but inchoate rage and demand for ruthless vengeance as hypocritical far-left terrorist-loving anti-Semitism.

Given less than a year later we have the complete desolation and destruction of North Gaza, a death toll of up to 200,000 Palestinians and rising, and almost everyone in Gaza displaced with the risk of the war expanding into Lebanon - with very real risks of it mushrooming into a regional or even global conflict if it drags the US into a direct conflict with Iran - I think the mainstream response of posters on this thread has aged rather better than your response at the time.

 

[Spymaster]

I think the mainstream response of posters on this thread has aged rather better than your response at the time.

That's because you are choosing to base your (inaccurate) review on an agenda. I predicted pretty much exactly what the Israeli response would be.

 

[kebabking]

Hezbollah walkie-talkies, they go pop....



I'd like to thank Hezbollah for making the Defence Procurement Agency look almost competent...

 

[tim]

Does Lebanon have an army apart from Hezbollah?

Yes, the Lebanese Army and various other sectarian paramilitary groups. The latter are mostly less powerful than they were during the civil wars in the 1970s and 1980s

 

[littlebabyjesus]

That's because you are choosing to base your (inaccurate) review on an agenda. I predicted pretty much exactly what the Israeli response would be.

On balance, it was better when you had this thread on ignore.

 

[Spymaster]

Hezbollah walkie-talkies, they go pop....



I'd like to thank Hezbollah for making the Defence Procurement Agency look almost competent...

Hezbollah currently shitting themselves stupid, wondering what's going to explode next.

 

[planetgeli]

Attacking funerals? This is 'considered', 'targeted', 'precise'?

Seriously go fuck yourself if you think this is funny.

 

[PR1Berske]

Hezbollah walkie-talkies, they go pop....



I'd like to thank Hezbollah for making the Defence Procurement Agency look almost competent...

I had been told that the future of warfare was technological though not quite like this.

 

[Rimbaud]

That's because you are choosing to base your (inaccurate) review on an agenda. I predicted pretty much exactly what the Israeli response would be.

You may have predicted it but you didn't seem concerned about the coming enormous death toll. You seemed far more concerned about hypocrisy hunting by attacking people who did express concern over the implications of October 7th more than the act itself.

Your stance is equivalent to banging on about the Serbian civilians killed by Bosniak troops in the midst of Srebrenica massacre.

Honestly I didn't pay that much attention to Gaza and found the left's obsession with it a distraction from more relevant issues - until Israel started cutting off their water supply as a response to October 7th. That put things into a new light for me and set alarms off in my head about the coming genocide. My agenda is simply concern over a humanitarian disaster.

 

[MickiQ]

Hezbollah walkie-talkies, they go pop....



I'd like to thank Hezbollah for making the Defence Procurement Agency look almost competent...

The fact that Mossad have managed to pull this off twice in quick succession must have Hezbollah running around like headless chickens wondering what else is booby trapped.

 

[Spymaster]

Attacking funerals? This is 'considered', 'targeted', 'precise'?

Seriously go fuck yourself if you think this is funny.

Who on earth would think it's funny?

 

[planetgeli]

Who on earth would think it's funny?

kebabking seems to think it's all jolly japes to use jokey language about.

 

[gentlegreen]

Orbán’s rep says Hezbollah exploding pagers were ‘never’ in Hungary

EU soil ... ?

 

[kebabking]

kebabking seems to think it's all jolly japes to use jokey language about.

An org being penetrated to this extent is funny.

Not all of the consequences will be funny, but the act itself, the inguinity, the incompetence and the hubris, that's funny.

 

[Pickman's model]

An org being penetrated to this extent is funny.

Not all of the consequences will be funny, but the act itself, the inguinity, the incompetence and the hubris, that's funny.

Surprised they didn't get comms eqpt from iran

 

[kebabking]

Surprised they didn't get comms eqpt from iran

So am I.

This is low tech stuff, it's not going to be the equipment they use to send their most sensitive stuff on - I'm puzzled why they'd buy it rather than just accept freebies.

 

[Bingoman]

Looking grim for a peace deal in the middle east atm

 

[Pickman's model]

Looking grim for a peace deal in the middle east atm

They made a desert and called it peace
--tacitus

 

[dylanredefined]

So am I.

This is low tech stuff, it's not going to be the equipment they use to send their most sensitive stuff on - I'm puzzled why they'd buy it rather than just accept freebies.

Maybe they were freebies. The supply chain was utterly compromised at some point.
Bowman was 20 years late but none of it exploded

 

[Pickman's model]

Maybe they were freebies. The supply chain was utterly compromised at some point.
Bowman was 20 years late but none of it exploded

The c4 had to be removed as it pushed the system that bit too far beyond what the government was willing to pay

 

[Aladdin]

IRA. Irish Republican Army.

Read up about the rules re soldiers operating in plain clothes.

Read up on SAS shooting 3 unarmed people with zero evidence

 

[Spymaster]

Read up on SAS shooting 3 unarmed people with zero evidence

Are you suggesting that they were not members of the IRA?

 

[Gramsci]

I was watching some of the footage of the pagers going off on Al-Jazeera.

Can't say my first thought was "they go pop"

And to find it funny.

I see now Israel have done successful attack on Hezbollah suddenly posters on this thread have returned who have been absent for months.

Before all this started I had been reading about British empire.

I didn't really know much about the Palestine/ Israel conflict. So set myself task to read up more about it. And left off from Empire. Though been reading Line in the Sand which shows British empire role in creating this conflict.

If that's living in a bubble so be it.

Given what's happened over last year and my reading I don't have lot of time for Zionism. Less and less as this has gone on.

 

[Aladdin]

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[Aladdin]

Are you suggesting that they were not members of the IRA?

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hudoc.echr.coe.int

They had no bomb.
No arms. No guns
They were just shot dead.
Read up a bit Spymaster ..


Everyone's right to life shall be protected by law.

3 unarmed volunteers were shot dead.no effort to arrest them.
Just shoot to kill policy.

The aftermath was horrendous here.

Anyway.. watch the documentary

 

[Spymaster]

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hudoc.echr.coe.int

They had no bomb.
No arms. No guns
They were just shot dead.
Read up a bit Spymaster ..

Stop telling people to read up. I've probably read more about Flavius and similar operations than you ever will.

What bit of that ECHR report are you seeking to draw attention to?

 

[Knotted]

Apart from the casualties Hezbollah operatives are not going to be able to trust any of their communications devices atm.

I would think Israel is going to follow these pager/walkie talkie attacks up with a full on assault while they have the advantage.

 

[planetgeli]

Apart from the casualties Hezbollah operatives are not going to be able to trust any of their communications devices atm.

I would think Israel is going to follow these pager/walkie talkie attacks up with a full on assault while they have the advantage.

Already there.

Israel declares start of 'new phase' of war​

Israel’s defence minister, Yoav Gallant, has declared the start of a “new phase” of the war with a focus on the northern front against Hezbollah fighters in Lebanon.

Gallant, speaking to Israeli troops on Wednesday, did not mention the explosions of devices in Lebanon on Tuesday and Wednesday.

But he praised the work of Israel’s army and security agencies, noting that the “results are very impressive”, the Associated Press reported.

“The center of gravity is moving north. We are diverting forces, resources and energy toward the north,” Gallant said, according to the Times of Israel.

 

[Gramsci]

Israel will become a ‘pariah’ over Gaza ‘genocide’, UN rights experts say

UN rights rapporteurs also slammed the ‘double standards’ of countries that support Israel’s devastating war on Gaza.

www.aljazeera.com

UN rapporteurs condemn the double standards of western countries and Israel governments attacks on UN. As that is the case and Israel , as they put it, has zero respect for UN then they question it's membership of UN.

Albanese was joined by three other UN independent experts who accused Western countries of hypocrisy and double standards, for example by being more vocal about human rights violations by Russia since its invasion of Ukraine than about Israel’s ac

I think suspending Israel membership of UN would be good idea.

Present government has nothing but contempt for international law and UN Institutions. So kick it out.

 

[Pickman's model]

Already there.

Israel declares start of 'new phase' of war​

Israel’s defence minister, Yoav Gallant, has declared the start of a “new phase” of the war with a focus on the northern front against Hezbollah fighters in Lebanon.

Gallant, speaking to Israeli troops on Wednesday, did not mention the explosions of devices in Lebanon on Tuesday and Wednesday.

But he praised the work of Israel’s army and security agencies, noting that the “results are very impressive”, the Associated Press reported.

“The center of gravity is moving north. We are diverting forces, resources and energy toward the north,” Gallant said, according to the Times of Israel.

This will end well