Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion

[platinumsage]

Sadly some on the left ( SWP ) still see Hamas and Palestinians as the same people.

Yes, which leads to stuff like this:

Spoiler: Front cover of the Socialist Worker

 

[ska invita]

Is it really 9 days since the initial attack or have I got that wrong?

 

[cupid_stunt]

Is it really 9 days since the initial attack or have I got that wrong?

The initial attack started early last Sat 8th 7th, so this is the 9th day.

ETA - 7th not the 8th, still the 9th day.

 

[TopCat]

Is it really 9 days since the initial attack or have I got that wrong?

Eight days

 

[Pickman's model]

Is it really 9 days since the initial attack or have I got that wrong?

This board's an urban75 forum, the most successful boards in the western world. It'll pile on you like a ton of bricks if you get cheese or beans wrong. But in all the excitement I forget how long this thread's been going. So you gotta ask yourself punk - do you feel lucky?

 

[teqniq]

 

[cupid_stunt]

I thought the estimate of about 2,300 killed so far in Gaza seemed very low compared to the destruction, that voice message somewhat confirms that, as bodies are longer being dug out of the rubble.

 

[teqniq]

Please consider signing and sharing:

Archived Petition: Remain neutral in Israel-Palestine conflict and withdraw support for Israel

We want the UK to be neutral in the conflict between Israel and Palestine, and withdraw offers of support for Israel.

petition.parliament.uk

 

[cupid_stunt]

Please consider signing and sharing:

Archived Petition: Remain neutral in Israel-Palestine conflict and withdraw support for Israel

We want the UK to be neutral in the conflict between Israel and Palestine, and withdraw offers of support for Israel.

petition.parliament.uk

Done, despite it being a waste of time, trouble is if it hits 100k, it is only 'considered' for a debate, and it'll be rejected at that point.

 

[teqniq]

Compare and contrast:

(3 vids of which this is the first)



Lammy is truly disgusting imo.

 

[Elohim]

You may have a additional information but he does not claim to be ex-Hamas in video merely he grew up a Hamas member in Ramallah. He also says Palestinian authority not Hamas. The relationship between the two is bumpy to say the least

Hamas were elected. Whatever mandate that gave them in Gaza has long since expired and they have used violence to maintain and increase their power in Gaza but to say they weren't is nonsense.

ETA late to the party!

Hamas killed all opposition so very much

Yes, which leads to stuff like this:

Spoiler: Front cover of the Socialist Worker

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Like pouring petrol on a fire. Many pro Hamas will cheer to this front page.

 

[Idris2002]

<unhelpful shite talk posted, then immediately removed>

 

[agricola]

Please consider signing and sharing:

Archived Petition: Remain neutral in Israel-Palestine conflict and withdraw support for Israel

We want the UK to be neutral in the conflict between Israel and Palestine, and withdraw offers of support for Israel.

petition.parliament.uk

I must say I do disagree with the whole idea of being neutral in this; we are involved and we should be giving help and succour to everyone involved in an attempt to bring genuine peace and security to the region. That of course means calling out the obvious injustices in the region and, with the rest of the world, dealing with them.

 

[Elohim]

Compare and contrast:

(3 vids of which this is the first)



Lammy is truly disgusting imo.

All these horrible humans now supporting the massacre of civilians in Palestine are all war criminals.
So many showing their true colours.

How can any good human being support civilian being massacred.

 

[Elohim]

Compare and contrast:

(3 vids of which this is the first)



Lammy is truly disgusting imo.

Lines in the sand have been drawn any politician that supports the civilian massacre in Palestine deserves no respect in the future.

 

[Pickman's model]

All these sub humans now supporting the massacre of civilians in Palestine are all war criminals.
So many showing their true colours.

How can any good human being support civilian being massacred.

Who else was it who called the Jews subhuman? Your mask has slipped

 

[TopCat]

Yeah fucking hell.

 

[Dystopiary]

All these sub humans now supporting the massacre of civilians in Palestine are all war criminals.
So many showing their true colours.

How can any good human being support civilian being massacred.

No people are "subhuman".

 

[Elohim]

What Lammy Starmer and many others on the so called left are supporting.
At least Corbyn is actually out on the demo.

 

[Elohim]

Who else was it who called the Jews subhuman? Your mask has slipped

Don't wear a mask not to sure what your on about.

 

[Elohim]

Who else was it who called the Jews subhuman? Your mask has slipped

I've changed sub to horrible . Maybe sub was too much of a strong word.

 

[Pickman's model]

I've changed sub to horrible . Maybe sub was too much of a strong word.

Too honest perhaps

 

[Sasaferrato]

Lines in the sand have been drawn any politician that supports the civilian massacre in Palestine deserves no respect in the future.

Do you have a view re the civilians killed and kidnapped by Hamas at the start of this?

 

[Pickman's model]

Do you have a view re the civilians killed and kidnapped by Hamas at the start of this?

You'll like it but not a lot

 

[teqniq]

I must say I do disagree with the whole idea of being neutral in this; we are involved and we should be giving help and succour to everyone involved in an attempt to bring genuine peace and security to the region. That of course means calling out the obvious injustices in the region and, with the rest of the world, dealing with them.

Yes I felt uncomfortable about that too, particularly as the UK has history in all this. I still signed it though as I felt it was better than nothing at all.

 

[HazeyCosmicJive]

Lots of terrible things happening recently but what do people see as the long-term solutions to this conflict that has raged for decades. Two-state solution? Single state solution or something else? Could there be some sort of "truth and reconciliation" such as seen in South Africa? What does anyone think? Surely the answer no-one wants is decades more of the same.

 

[platinumsage]

Details from an Egyptian new source on how negotiations are ongoing between Egypt and Western governments to allow a mass entry of Palestinians into the Sinai where Egypt will accomodate them in exchnage of financial and other incentives:

Mada Masr

Madamsr

mada37.appspot.com

 

[RubyToogood]

Christ. I looked up something on YouTube and got a propaganda advert from the Israeli Foreign Affairs Ministry.

 

[cesare]

Christ. I looked up something on YouTube and got a propaganda advert from the Israeli Foreign Affairs Ministry.

I was just watching some YouTube shorts and got an "Israel needs your support" slipped in there.

 

[teqniq]

Braverman on yesterday's demo, I think she might actually have lost it:



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