Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion

[littlebabyjesus]

The BBC report on the demo

Pro-Palestinian march draws thousands in London with protests across UK

Police warn that anyone showing support for Hamas, a proscribed terrorist group, could face arrest.

www.bbc.co.uk

Palestine Action are taking responsibility, according to this report, for daubing BBC building with red paint -for their biased reporting. Slightly unfair as BBC have had stick from the right for not saying Hamas are terrorist.

However this particular article on BBC website annoys me.

Gives report of the demo. Then at end adds bit about rise in anti semitic incidents recorded by the Met.

This is a different issue.

Putting it in same report on a largely peaceful demo at which no anti semitic incident took place is imo implying public demonstrations of support for Palestinians as a people and opposition to bombing of Gaza is somehow contributing to an atmosphere where anti semitic incidents increase. This is the kind of thing that winds me up.

Absolutely. I kept an eye out for anti-Semitism today. Aside from one banner mentioning a cabal held by an old white bloke on his own, I didn't see any.

Have just read that article. Mentions how many coppers, how many arrested. Not even a guess at the number of people on the march. Wankers.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Laura Pidcock is another one standing up for the Palestinians.

 

[A380]

I'd feel weird about donating to a charity that mentions any specific religion in their title. I'm sure they are okay, but it just doesn't sit that well with me...

Me too, I feel the same about Christian Aid. They both do good things but it just doesn’t feel right to me.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

I'd feel weird about donating to a charity that mentions any specific religion in their title. I'm sure they are okay, but it just doesn't sit that well with me...

I hear that (I’m an atheist) but it does depend on the charity. I know IR very having worked with them. Their faith is the driver to help those in need, and they help where they can irrespective of the faith (or lack of) of those in need…

 

[Knotted]

Water a ‘matter of life and death’ for Gaza after Israeli siege, says UN

More than two million Palestinians left with limited access to clean water, something the UN is raising alarms about.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[cupid_stunt]

Boak

Sunak promises Israel ‘unqualified support in face of evil’ – but makes no mention of Gaza’s plight

Keir Starmer also backs Israel but issues call for all parties to act in line with international law

www.theguardian.com

Senior Labour figures believe the Conservatives are deliberately trying to paint them as less supportive of Israel, and to suggest that some on the left of the party are somehow sympathetic to Hamas and antisemitic, because they are pro-Palestinian.

“They are definitely trying to play politics with us,” said one senior figure, who suggested the Tories wanted to reopen divisions within Labour over support for Israel and issues around antisemitism.

I suspect that's exactly what the Tories are doing, and it's fucking disgusting to be playing politics with the current situation.

FFS, even the US has said Israel needs to act in line with international law.

I think it'll back-fire on them, as everyone I've spoken to/been in contact with, including Tory voters, whilst condemning Hamas for their horrific attack last weekend, are also at the very least expressing very real concern about Israel's retaliation, it's just another example of the Tories being totally out of touch.

 

[Pickman's model]

I suspect that's exactly what the Tories are doing, and it's fucking disgusting to be playing politics with the current situation.

FFS, even the US has said Israel needs to act in line with international law.

I think it'll back-fire on them, as everyone I've spoken to/been in contact with, including Tory voters, whilst condemning Hamas for their horrific attack last weekend, are also at the very least expressing very real concern about Israel's retaliation, it's just another example of the Tories being totally out of touch.

Yeh well labour banning their elected members from doing stuff will go down like a pile of sick. Playing politics is of course what politicians are employed to do, like footballers are employed to play football

 

[Pickman's model]

Me too, I feel the same about Christian Aid. They both do good things but it just doesn’t feel right to me.

They should be an organisation, with a name like that, that helps extract the deluded, people who have fallen into Christianity perhaps through no fault of their own

 

[teqniq]

Fucking awful:

 

[Johnny Vodka]

For all that it matters, I've changed my FB pic to Not In My Name! (Bit more explicit now about my stance around family, friends and people I barely know...)

 

[fucthest8]

All just too fucking depressing for words, everything worst about humanity laid bare.

 

[CNT36]

Just had a browse through the Al Jazeera and Guardian new feeds. The European commission have now announced they will triple humanitarian aid to Gaza a massive improvement on what was being said earlier in the week.

Another US Aircraft carrier is being sent. The Eisenhower and its strike group.

Blinken and MBS have had a cosy chat.

Meanwhile Israel has repeated the evacuation order and airstrikes continue. The morgues are struggling to cope so ice cream vans are being used to store dead bodies.

 

[two sheds]

I wonder whether Israel could strike a neighbouring country under protection of US and UK ships.

 

[Elohim]

Yeh well labour banning their elected members from doing stuff will go down like a pile of sick. Playing politics is of course what politicians are employed to do, like footballers are employed to play football

Yes got a very good friend ( labour party member)who admitted he's sympathetic to the Palestinians but is unable to get directly involved in any support because he could risk disciplinary within .

 

[Elohim]

I wonder whether Israel could strike a neighbouring country under protection of US and UK ships.

Yes

 

[cupid_stunt]

I wonder whether Israel could strike a neighbouring country under protection of US and UK ships.

Beyond some trouble in the Lebanon border area, I doubt it, they're busy enough, and the last thing the UK & US wants is to see is it escalate further, which is why they've sent ships as a deterrent to other actors in the area.

 

[CNT36]

Yes got a very good friend ( labour party member)who admitted he's sympathetic to the Palestinians but is unable to get directly involved in any support because he could risk disciplinary within .

Shower of shit.

 

[platinumsage]

I wonder whether Israel could strike a neighbouring country under protection of US and UK ships.

They frequently strike neighbouring countries, they have hit Damascus and Aleppo airports in the last week for example to hinder arms imports from Iran to Hezbollah.

 

[Elohim]

Former Hamas member exposes Hamas.

Hamas was not democratically selected .

Sadly some on the left ( SWP ) still see Hamas and Palestinians as the same people.

Not all Palestinians support Hamas not all Israelis support zionism.

 

[mojo pixy]

Egypt's already ruled out this "flee to Egypt" idea - correctly recognizing that those who flee will never be allowed back.

That may be true, but Egypt doesn't want Hamas (whose soldiers hide among civilians and will definitely cross at Rafah along with everyone else) operating from Egypt. Israel doesn't want them, why would Egypt? 1. Hamas is an extremist group that might end up destabilising Egypt and 2. It could give Israel an excuse to start on Egypt later.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Former Hamas member exposes Hamas.

Hamas was not democratically selected .

No he doesn't, he's having a go at the Palestinian Authority, not Hamas.

 

[teqniq]

Former Hamas member exposes Hamas.

Hamas was not democratically selected .

Sadly some on the left ( SWP ) still see Hamas and Palestinians as the same people.

Not all Palestinians support Hamas not all Israelis support zionism.

That is not what he is saying at all. His words are directed at the Palestinian authority.

 

[PR1Berske]

 

[Elohim]

No he doesn't, he's having a go at the Palestinian Authority, not Hamas.

Er Hamas is the self appointed Palestinian authority.

 

[Elohim]

That is not what he is saying at all. His words are directed at the Palestinian authority.

Who are the self appointed Palestinian authority?

 

[two sheds]

Closely followed by "The killings in Palestine are appalling. But

 

[CNT36]

Former Hamas member exposes Hamas.

Hamas was not democratically selected .

Sadly some on the left ( SWP ) still see Hamas and Palestinians as the same people.

Not all Palestinians support Hamas not all Israelis support zionism.

You may have a additional information but he does not claim to be ex-Hamas in video merely he grew up a Hamas member in Ramallah. He also says Palestinian authority not Hamas. The relationship between the two is bumpy to say the least

Hamas were elected. Whatever mandate that gave them in Gaza has long since expired and they have used violence to maintain and increase their power in Gaza but to say they weren't is nonsense.

ETA late to the party!

 

[cupid_stunt]

Er Hamas is the self appointed Palestinian authority.

No, you are confusing two different organisations.

The two territories have grown into markedly different entities, Fatah's PA enjoying international recognition and backing, while Gaza under Hamas, designated terrorists by the West, has grown increasingly isolated. Egypt has helped Israel enforce a land, sea and air blockade on Gaza for the past 17 years.

What is the Palestinian Authority and what is its relationship with Israel?

Set up in the mid-90s as an interim body on the path to Palestinian statehood, the PA faces a crisis of legitimacy

www.aljazeera.com

 

[teqniq]

Who are the self appointed Palestinian authority?

The Palestinian authority. Hamas were elected in 2008:

2006 Palestinian legislative election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[The39thStep]

Former Hamas member exposes Hamas.

Hamas was not democratically selected .

Sadly some on the left ( SWP ) still see Hamas and Palestinians as the same people.

Not all Palestinians support Hamas not all Israelis support zionism.

The only correct sentence in this post is the last one. The rest is just nonsense I'm afraid.