Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion

[elbows]

From the Al Jazeera updates page ( UN says Gaza shelters ‘not safe anymore’ as water runs out for 2.3m people )

Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez has warned that international law prohibits the type of large-scale evacuation Israel has ordered in the Gaza Strip.

“Israel has the right to defend itself but always within the limits of international humanitarian law, which does not authorise the evacuation of Palestinians from Gaza, as the United Nations says,” Sanchez said during a gathering of his Socialist Party in the southwestern city of Merida.

 

[tim]

Nice but dim.

Yes, that is what I was implying.

 

[phildwyer]

Yes, that is what I was implying.

Confirming.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

The Israeli police are, like almost all in the world apart from The UK and New Zealand, armed as a matter of course. I don’t think they go in for the whole tin of pepper, stick and undying nostalgia for Dixon of Dock Green approach…

I’m not sure how many people in the U.K. know this so the information was pertinent.

 

[A380]

I’m not sure how many people in the U.K. know this so the information was pertinent.

I suspect there aren’t many people in the UK who think the state of Israel has an unarmed police force.

 

[Pickman's model]

I’m not sure how many people in the U.K. know this so the information was pertinent.

no it isn't. it's nothing to do with the number of people in the uk who know this - or are ignorant of it. i think it's fair to say pretty much everyone on urban would think they were, and that's all that needs concern us with this question.

 

[Gramsci]

Some of the home made placards/ banners from demo

 

[Gramsci]

Few photos of demo

 

[Gramsci]

More political banners

 

[MickiQ]

The Israeli police are, like almost all in the world apart from The UK and New Zealand, armed as a matter of course. I don’t think they go in for the whole tin of pepper, stick and undying nostalgia for Dixon of Dock Green approach…

About 20 other countries do not have routinely armed Plod including of all places Botswana which is the only African country to do so.

 

[cesare]

About 20 other countries do not have routinely armed Plod including of all places Botswana which is the only African country to do so.

There are about 2.3 million inhabitants of Botswana I now find out. Approx the same as Gaza.

 

[cupid_stunt]

There are about 2.3 million inhabitants of Botswana I now find out. Approx the same as Gaza.

In a area of 224,610 sq mi, compared to Gaza of just 141 sq mi.

 

[Gramsci]

On the demo also saw Unite banner. But didn't see much connected with trade unions. No Labour party.

Socialist Appeal had big contingent.

Counterfire and as usual SWP

Lot of people from middle east background. As is usual at demos about Palestine

No trouble I saw. Good natured and loud

Lot of young people there. Shows the issue of Palestine is a live one. That many people feel strongly about.

 

[cesare]

In a area of 224,610 sq mi, compared to Gaza of just 141 sq mi.

I didn't look at population density but yes, that too. And back to what Yossarian pointed out earlier by comparing with the East End.

 

[donkyboy]

Saudi local press condemning Israel which is quite significant.

That's all the arab governments are good for: words.

 

[cesare]

That's all the arab governments are good for: words.

Wtaf

 

[AnnaKarpik]

Seems those are WP-containing smoke rounds, which are exempt from the ban on WP use on civilian targets, which only applies to WP incendiary shells.

Pretty sure WP can be used on a battlefield as a smokescreen, not elsewhere, such as densely populated areas.

 

[Duncan2]

Pretty sure WP can be used on a battlefield as a smokescreen, not elsewhere, such as densely populated areas.

Yeah can't see Lyndsey Hilsum getting that wrong

 

[Gramsci]

meanwhile, in the west bank.

Settlers take advantage of Gaza war to launch West Bank pogroms

Israeli settlers and soldiers have killed 51 Palestinians in the West Bank this past week, with two villages entirely depopulated.

www.972mag.com

Yes Settler violence has increased but it's not new. Palestinian farmers have been subject to this for years.

The State can say Settler violence has nothing to do with them. In reality it does

Here is what an Israeli human rights group says on this.

This is the context behind outbreak of violence by Hamas. Not justifying Hamas killing Israelis. However attacks on Palestinian farmers has been going on for years. Even if they try to defend themselves the Israeli military step in to support settlers.

Looks to me like the settlers are upping the violence to ethnically cleanse whole areas of Palestinian farmers.

Article says state is arming them for self defense due to recent attacks by Hamas. This is making the settlers into a para military force.

https://www.btselem.org/settler_violence

The apartheid regime is based on organized, systemic violence against Palestinians, which is carried out by numerous agents: the government, the military, the Civil Administration, the Supreme Court, the Israel Police, the Israel Security Agency, the Israel Prison Service, the Israel Nature and Parks Authority, and others. Settlers are another item on this list, and the state incorporates their violence into its own official acts of violence. Settler violence sometimes precedes instances of official violence by Israeli authorities, and at other times is incorporated into them. Like state violence, settler violence is organized, institutionalized, well-equipped and implemented in order to achieve a defined strategic goal

 

[agricola]

Yes Settler violence has increased but it's not new. Palestinian farmers have been subject to this for years.

The State can say Settler violence has nothing to do with them. In reality it does

Here is what an Israeli human rights group says on this.

This is the context behind outbreak of violence by Hamas. Not justifying Hamas killing Israelis. However attacks on Palestinian farmers has been going on for years. Even if they try to defend themselves the Israeli military step in to support settlers.

Looks to me like the settlers are upping the violence to ethnically cleanse whole areas of Palestinian farmers.

Article says state is arming them for self defense due to recent attacks by Hamas. This is making the settlers into a para military force.

https://www.btselem.org/settler_violence

Indeed. To see how the settlers and the state behaved (behaves) to someone like Daoud Nassar is such an education, though not as much as how he behaves when faced with it.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Yes Settler violence has increased but it's not new. Palestinian farmers have been subject to this for years.

The State can say Settler violence has nothing to do with them. In reality it does

I mean, why wouldn't it? These cunts are breaking (at least) international law. Even if we give the Israeli state the benefit of the doubt and say it doesn't encourage land-thievery, it's a bit like shrugging your shoulders about robbery, rape, murder...

 

[cupid_stunt]

Yes Settler violence has increased but it's not new. Palestinian farmers have been subject to this for years.

Indeed, one report I read said there has been over 700 attacks so far this year by settlers against Palestinians in the West Bank.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

To think how little these farmers probably have too, no doubt just scraping an existence as it is.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

I suspect there aren’t many people in the UK who think the state of Israel has an unarmed police force.

I think you might be surprised by how much the average person thinks through this stuff tbh…

 

[A380]

I think you might be surprised by how much the average person thinks through this stuff tbh…

You don’t hold the ‘average person’ in much regard do you?

 

[Pickman's model]

I think you might be surprised by how much the average person thinks through this stuff tbh…

You look up at them in awe

 

[planetgeli]

To think how little these farmers probably have too, no doubt just scraping an existence as it is.

Not to mention the fishermen.

Several have been killed in the last decade and their boats regularly shot at and wrecked. Don't take my word for it, there's a documentary by Worker's Revolutionary International Communist Party member Simon Reeves on the BBC.

Meanwhile, the Israeli's have been systematically bombing the ports of Gaza. There's nothing left. Fishing accounts for 6% of the exports of Palestine, not to mention the ability to feed their own population. Destroyed.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Not to mention the fishermen.

Several have been killed in the last decade and their boats regularly shot at and wrecked. Don't take my word for it, there's a documentary by Worker's Revolutionary International Communist Party member Simon Reeves on the BBC.

I'll need to check that out. Always enjoy Reeves' work when I see it. I didn't know his political affiliation...

 

[planetgeli]

I'll need to check that out. Always enjoy Reeves' work when I see it. I didn't know his political affiliation...

I was joking about his political affiliation. I thought some of the more liberal on here might more take the word of him, respected BBC programme maker, than me.

 

[Elohim]

Israeli president Isaac Herzog blames the entire Palestine people .

This sick fuxxer sees no civilians.