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the British empire in 1948? Hmm, what else was going on with that at the same time? Ohh yeah, it was collapsing as various nations claimed their independence. The empire was over. No way could the mandate simply be continued, no chance at all. Of course Israel had its own interests, but the brits thought they would dovetails neatly/sufficiently with British interests for that to be okay.

Well I was meaning more the Balfour declaration and the subsequent Mandate in which it was written into it the ideas of the Balfour declaration.

The ending of the mandate was a humiliation for the Atlee government. Who were not that pro Zionist compared to say the later Harold Wilson. They handed it over to the new UN to deal with.

During the Mandate the British went to support Arabs and then Zionists. Its was incoherent policy.

Britain imo historically has a lot to answer for in making the ground on which this conflict has developed.

What I'm trying to get away from is the its all about imperialism line.

I'm not convinced that supporting Zionism was in the best interests of the British Empire.

Heard Avi Shlaim say recently that the Balfour declaration was one of the worst foreign policy decisions the British Empire made.

The post WW1 mandates were supposed to be stepping stone for people to get self determination. Not that one Empire decides to give land to a European settler colonial political project. Which is what got written into the Mandate.

Nor do I think having Israel as an ally for the Britain and the west proved a great idea. Seeing what's happening now.

This country still has the 2030 roadmap. Starmer government , despite a few arms embargo, still regards Israel who is an ally.

To me , if on real politic level UK needs to ally with unpleasant countries I would expect that UK gets something back. I don't see that in our relationship with Israel. If anything Israel is a loose cannon.

Not trying to have a go at you here.

I suppose what I'm wary of is the bundling up Israel as part of imperialism Vs the axis of resistance. My enemies enemy is my friend stuff.

Listening to Ilan Pappe few nights ago and he was arguing the its going to be a regional war line was wrong.

It takes attention away from what Zionism has done and is doing now to Palestinians.

If I get him right he's saying stick to basics. Don't elaborate it to being about regional / imperial conflict.

Stick to what is happening to Palestinians land. What Zionists want as end game. And how international public can oppose this.

Still I'm not dismissing the foreign policy - Israel - issue. I'm just a bit wary of it.
 
Is it worth splitting off the Amsterdam stuff into a separate thread? My personal opinion is that Amsterdam's worth discussing, and what's happening in Gaza is worth discussing, but I'm not sure how productive it is to have both conversations running in the same thread at the same time?

I have followed this thread for months and learnt to skip it posts when it gets like this.

Carry on my reading stuff and posting up.

My way of dealing with this is that I've put spymaster on ignore few months ago for example. Along with LDC

I'd recommend other posters do the same.

Having a separate thread would be of no purpose other than an outlet for some posters to have a go at others. So maybe separate thread is idea. I will be putting it on ignore straight away
 


This woman came from Gaza to this country. Persevered and got a PHD. Then got a teaching post at a university. To cut a long story short she has been hounded by the Jewish Chronicle in particular.

Basically after watching the whole peace she was hounded for being a Palestinian.

The second half is very moving as she talks about what's happened to her community in Gaza.

What really upset her is that her employer the university did not support her. Sounds like the opposite. Once she got attacked by Jewish Chronicle.

She understood a Zionist supporting paper like Jewish Chronicle would attack someone like her. What was obviously unbearable for her was that the university colluded in this ( allegedly they deny it)

She puts this in context of decades of dehumanisation of Palestinians that started even before State of Israel was founded. That as a Palestinian from Gaza putting the Palestinian point of view enraged Zionists in this country.

From watching the interview I'm ashamed this country didn't give her the support she needed. The attacks on her personally have clearly taken a toll on her.

To make clear the university got the allegations of anti semitism leveled against her independently looked into and she was cleared on that.

This is example of what can happen to someone who sticks up for Palestinians. They will be accused of anti semitism. Mud sticks. And in her case it continued even after she decided to leave the Uni job.
 
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