Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion

[brogdale]

I did. Look at the state of some of what gets posted on here now with nobody except Mojo pulling people on it.

Your post as well. Bigoted claptrap, despite your attempt to back pedal out of it. I rarely stick threads on ignore because of people's views (I've got hundreds on ignore because they're shit, or boring) but this one can get quite revolting. As I said, I only took it off earlier to see if I was right about what you dicks would be posting and hey presto!

You'll be going back on ignore soon.

As I thought.

 

[Spymaster]

As I thought.

Certainly as I did.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I did. Look at the state of some of what gets posted on here now with nobody except Mojo pulling people on it.

Your post as well. Bigoted claptrap, despite your attempt to back pedal out of it. I rarely stick threads on ignore because of people's views (I've got hundreds on ignore because they're shit, or boring) but this one can get quite revolting. As I said, I only took it off earlier to see if I was right about what you dicks would be posting, and hey presto!

There have been posts talking about the fact that two groups of vile r/w thugs have had a scrap. Other posts correcting some of the propaganda that's been flying around, such as what exactly is shown in the videos doing the rounds.

Hopefully you now go away much better informed.

 

[belboid]

Without wishing to derail. No one mentions why we use the word hooligans anyway. A pejorative label for Irish traveler family who caused trouble in the east end at the beginning of the previous century.
But it sticks to examples of rowdy or unruly behavior. I don’t see any fight back against that term.
See also, thugs.

its that kinda shite that gets you labeled an anti-semite. Not only is your etymology dubious, but it is also irrelevant. It minimises and thus semi-justifies, anti-semitism as just about words, not about 2000 years of oppression.

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

We can’t talk about 2000 years of oppression since it requires use of scripture. And that is irrelevant and has no bearing on the ingrained beliefs of many people.

 

[HeAthen]

Being accused of anti-semitism has lost all its power due to casual misuse. Knock yourselves out.

Yes, people who throw it around willy-nilly degrade it's impact when actual anti-semitism does rear it's very ugly head (not seen it on here). Those that abuse it's use are best ignored and regarded with the disdain they deserve.

 

[maomao]

These particular claims of anti-semitism (the ones from European politicians and the right-wing commentariat, not the ones on here) are not being thrown around willy-nilly, or even as cover for Israeli war-crimes, they are a very clear dog-whistle for Islamophobia.

 

[belboid]

We can’t talk about 2000 years of oppression since it requires use of scripture. And that is irrelevant and has no bearing on the ingrained beliefs of many people.

no it doesnt you fucking prick

 

[HeAthen]

These particular claims of anti-semitism (the ones from European politicians and the right-wing commentariat, not the ones on here) are not being thrown around willy-nilly, or even as cover for Israeli war-crimes, they are a very clear dog-whistle for Islamophobia.

Oh yes, definitely. There are two very different agendas when doing it. Both quite repellent.

 

[ID47]

No Muslim should defend Muslim atrocities.

No Jew should defend Jewish atrocities.

And don't give me no special case exceptionalism.

 

[mojo pixy]

These particular claims of anti-semitism (the ones from European politicians and the right-wing commentariat, not the ones on here) are not being thrown around willy-nilly, or even as cover for Israeli war-crimes, they are a very clear dog-whistle for Islamophobia.

I said this last October...

I also suspect there's a huge (and racist) kind of anti-islamism that exists in most 'western' (=white, libral, judeo-christian) cultures, that needs zionism in a 'my enemy's enemy is my friend' type of way and sees Israel as a bastion of aforementioned white, liberal judeo-christian-ness in a sea of brown muslimness there in the middle east. I suspect these kinds of 'I stand with Israel' types would chuck Jews under buses both metaphorical and real, in another context.

That's what we're seeing now, we've been seeing it for a long time.

 

[brogdale]

Indeed. One wonders how many Jewish Ajax fans were attacked in this “pogrom” - certainly the ve seen no reports of anything like that happening.

This.
It really is genuinely disturbing that mainstream UK politicians representing HMLO have publicly referred to these instances of football thuggery as a pogrom. The Trumpian turn appears to have come so naturally to the vermin. It is, of course, antisemitic in itself to so devalue the language of historical Jewish oppression.

 

[CNT36]

I did. Look at the state of some of what gets posted on here now with nobody except Mojo pulling people on it.

Bullshit. Which is fair enough you don't read the thread so how would you know.

More of the antiSemitism that doesn't exist on the left.

It's disappointing you haven't apologized for, or even acknowledged your antisemitism

You are anti-semitic

Er that's utter bollocks.

Why is there so much casual antisemitism on this thread?

Yup, this thread and the anti-semitism on it, and tolerance and excusing of it (often from people I really am surprised about) is the main reason I'm not on here much at all anymore. Mix that in with a few clear loons on the topic and the terrible politics of some other people on this issue and it makes it a car crash of a thread.

Fucking disgusting tbh.

Good work by some trying to bring better politics, sense, and challenging the anti-semitism.

From a 20 second search for posts containing antisemitism. There will be plenty of others.

 

[brogdale]

Something of an irony that these Israeli football thugs disgraced themselves in and around the home stadium of Ajax who, for those that aren't aware, are the Dutch equivalent of Spurs having a long-standing tradition of Jewish links/support.

 

[mojo pixy]

We can’t talk about 2000 years of oppression since it requires use of scripture.

We can use history books, we don't at all need scripture (wtf?) to talk about oppression. What does that even mean?

 

[belboid]

No Muslim should defend Muslim atrocities.

No Jew should defend Jewish atrocities.

And don't give me no special case exceptionalism.

They aren't Muslim or jewish atrocities though. They're atrocities carried out by nation states, who define themselves by religion. Thats rather different.

Plus, the only person on here who has minimised and mitigated the Israeli atrocities isn't actually jewish.

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

Love the bits blaming the left for my supposed antisemitism.
I’ve had my arse kicked by those narrow minded judgemental pricks too, so don’t call me that please.

no it doesnt you fucking prick

My correct pronouns are cunt/ go fuck your mum.

We can use history books, we don't at all need scripture (wtf?) to talk about oppression. What does that even mean?

i thought the Torah was a history book, since it is being used to claim a 3000year ownership of land.
Either it is or it isn’t?

 

[mojo pixy]

i thought the Torah was a history book, since it is being used to claim a 3000year ownership of land.
Either it is or it isn’t?

Amazingly we have better history books now. But I'm sure you know this.

The state of Israel, believe it or not, is not really a consequence of the bible**, as much as a consequence of history. I'm not going over it again because I want to get offline, but Eretz Israel is there 99% because of antisemitism, pogroms, exile and slaughter. 1% because of mystic dreamers singing shma israel.

You need to broaden your reading list.








**fine, Torah then. Hebrew bible. Septuagint. Go wild on correct nomenclature

(Edit as a response to the below pedantry because it doesn't deserve a whole new post of its own ffs)

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

I didnt mention the right hand path of the Bible.
I mentioned the Torah.

 

[Spymaster]

Hopefully you now go away much better informed.

I’d sooner have been informed by Jack The Ripper on foreplay than you on Israel, tbf.

 

[planetgeli]

I’d sooner have been informed by Jack The Ripper on foreplay than you on Israel, tbf.

JFC Spy, rape jokes? Seriously? What part of your anatomy thought it was a good idea to write that?

 

[Spymaster]

JFC Spy, rape jokes? Seriously? What part of your anatomy thought it was a good idea to write that?

Yeah cos that’s so much worse than some of the other shit that’s being posted on here without comment. Some of you cunts need to take a good look at yourselves. Progressives, my arse.

 

[planetgeli]

Yeah cos that’s so much worse than some of the other shit that’s being posted on here without comment. Some of you cunts need to take a good look at yourselves. Progressives, my arse.

It's not a comparative. You shouldn't have said it. But thanks for calling me a cunt. What is fucking wrong with you right now?

 

[cloudyday]

Right now?

 

[Pickman's model]

Yeah cos that’s so much worse than some of the other shit that’s being posted on here without comment. Some of you cunts need to take a good look at yourselves. Progressives, my arse.

We're all cunts here, spy, it's well known

 

[teqniq]

Well this all deteriorated fairly predictably.

Meanwhile in Gaza:

Nearly 70% of Gaza war dead women and children - UN

A UN agency verified victims from a six-month period and said it found international law violations.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[SpookyFrank]

Well this all deteriorated fairly predictably.

Meanwhile in Gaza:

Nearly 70% of Gaza war dead women and children - UN

A UN agency verified victims from a six-month period and said it found international law violations.

www.bbc.co.uk

They still call it a 'war' though.

How many of those women and children were Israeli?

 

[Pickman's model]

Well this all deteriorated fairly predictably.

Meanwhile in Gaza:

Nearly 70% of Gaza war dead women and children - UN

A UN agency verified victims from a six-month period and said it found international law violations.

www.bbc.co.uk

If the idf acted at all times under international law Palestine would have been free years back, albeit not quite from the river to the sea