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Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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cloudyday
caput mortuum
Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
How many other countries fly rendition flights for hooligans? With the foreign minister saying they were frightened by terrorist (Palestinian flags) propaganda.
Jeez, I even posted the lame watered down sky news link rather than the Al Jazeera link where I read it originally, so you wouldn’t get triggered so early in the morning.
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Jeez, I even posted the lame watered down sky news link rather than the Al Jazeera link where I read it originally, so you wouldn’t get triggered so early in the morning.
Israeli football fans clash with protesters in Amsterdam
Amsterdam city council member says ‘Maccabi hooligans’ instigated violence and attacked Palestinian supporters.
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HeAthen
Nadgers.
What a delightful bunch
mojo pixy
...שלא נמצא בשמאל
Newly returned? I take regular breaks and always have, I never actually leave.
As I've acknowledged before, I'm in a minority of one on this and that's fine. Someone has to.
Football hooligans are indeed scum. Anyone cunting off the Dutch antisemites? Nah didn't think so.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
It’s fairly common and long established that there are fights between opposing fans, especially when the away fans trash the place they are visiting or otherwise disrespect it.
Labeling them (the Dutch hooligans) as antisemites can do nothing else but strip all of the context out of why what happened last night happened. It’s saying they are attacked because they were Jews, not because of the behaviour of the Maccabi fans the day before, during the day of the match or at the ground. I think the latter provided much more of an influence here than the former.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
Whether or not you're always right, I think you often have a valuable role in reminding people not to extend their rightful anger with racist/murderous Israeli State decisions (and that section of the Israeli public making those decisions possible) into dodgy territory. I also think the defensive hostility frequently makes your own case better than it makes theirs. My tuppence anyway.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
tony.c
Well-Known Member
The Maccabi supporters will be serving or reservist IDF soldiers so used to flying on Israeli military planes.
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Not such a trustworthy source, I would suggest. Quoting the loathsome Wilders without comment.Just in the moment before our resident antisemites take total ownership of that story too, a second perspective on events...
'Antisemitic hit-and-run squads': Amsterdam temporarily bans demonstrations after Israeli soccer fans attacked by street mobs
Jewish fans have been attacked in Amsterdam in a "pogrom" after a soccer match between Maccabi Tel Aviv and Ajax.forward.com
And then we have this rather extraordinary claim: "The majority of Amsterdam was Jewish prior to the Holocaust."
Where on earth did they get that from?
EtA: did a quick look through that site in search of something, anything, that might be even mildly critical of the genocide.
Nothing.
Dodgy bastards to be linking to. They push the line that anti Israel = antisemitic.
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mojo pixy
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That's right, the Jewish source is untrustworthy. Of course!
mojo pixy
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You may be right, but of course you may be wrong. And I'm not stripping any context, rather I added some. That it was unwelcome is .. interesting. But not surprising tbh.
editor
hiraethified
That is a magnificent banner.
mojo pixy
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I don't know about "the majority" but Amsterdam had a massive Jewish community from the middle ages all the way to the 1940s. A lot of the jews eg kicked out of England in 1290 and eg from Spain by the Inquisition, ended up there. Baruch Spinoza was born there. It was a recognised Jewish centre in Europe for centuries, till the nazis arose.
Plumdaff
joy in people
FFS that's an unfair and dubious implication.That's right, the Jewish source is untrustworthy. Of course!
Haaretz says Dutch king condemns 'antisemitic' attack on Israeli soccer fans in Amsterdam
but also
mojo pixy
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I'm not implying anything. I posted up a report from Forward (an old and generally well-regarded news source). It was called 'dubious'. No other link has been called dubious.
Plumdaff
joy in people
People are challenged about links on urban all the time, dubious, biased, fash, The Sun, The DM - all the time
mojo pixy
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Right, so the Forward is like the Sun and the Mail now? Fash and biased.
Do you know anything at all about it? No. Your assumptions are letting you down, badly.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
That's right, the Jewish source is untrustworthy. Of course!
I won't attack your source, it does give some space to the possibilities that Maccabi fans hadn't exactly been sweetness and light for the previous 24/48 hours.
But what it did do, via various X accounts it linked to, was lead me to reading some of the most vicious racist crap I've read in a long time, many comments echoing Geert Wilders "Arrest and deport the multicultural scum" - and worse. I was going to make a list but the list was, frankly, too long and too disgusting.
So thanks for that. Good to have eyes opened.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
No, this is bad politics, the decisions of the US state are nothing to do with individual Presidents' personal politics. It is entirely to do with American geo-political interests. They changed their policy on Israel well after Suez (after the Six Day War, in fact) as they realised how useful Israel could be to them. Prior to that they believed it was going to upset their wider interests in the middle-east and was still supported by the older powers (ie UK & France) who the US was trying to replace.
mojo pixy
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I don't use X, in part because of racism and toxicity, so have been unable to have my eyes opened by its content.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
The bit in italics. Why italics? They're usually a snarky way of getting a point across but I don't see what I said wrong for you to choose to do that? Are you accusing me of some sort of anti-semitic sympathies now?
mojo pixy
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No, I just thought the idea of having ones eyes opened by content on X was a curious one, given the trajectory and standards of that platform in recent years.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I am attacking the source. It links to dodgy groups, it unquestioningly swallows Israeli govt propaganda without even chewing. It simply ignores Palestinians. They are invisible.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
You are disgusting.
mojo pixy
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Invisible from some probably racist aggro between Dutch and Israeli football fans? Why might that be? Was a Palestinian team playing or what?
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Your source, which I've read uncritically, is chocka full of links to twitter, instagram and others. I read a lot of the links to gather as much info as I could about an event neither of us were at. Do you want people to read the source (which to me involves following the links) or not? Or is there some special way you wish it to be read? Maybe one that shows Israel is not backed by a load of Islamophobic, racist pieces of shit, who aren't shy about what their politics mean?
Unfortunately, that's not what those links lead to. From your source.
And it's not getting you anywhere with Mojo is it?
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