Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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teqniq
DisMembered
Ethnic cleansing, nothing else to say:
www.theguardian.com
Palestinians will not be allowed to return to homes in northern Gaza, says IDF
Brig Gen Itzik Cohen said in a briefing that aid would only be allowed to enter south of the strip, not the north
ska invita
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Yeah, was clear a year ago, but out in the open now...waiting for Trump to announce it? Timing seems beyond coincidentalEthnic cleansing, nothing else to say:
Palestinians will not be allowed to return to homes in northern Gaza, says IDF
Brig Gen Itzik Cohen said in a briefing that aid would only be allowed to enter south of the strip, not the north
ska invita
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Here’s What Jared Kushner Said About Gaza’s Waterfront Property—And Where It’s Been Said Before
Kushner’s comments suggesting that Israel remove civilians from Gaza, which has “very valuable” waterfront property, sparked backlash.
www.forbes.com
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
On Trump.
Was listening to Owen Jones and Novara media. Who did good job interviewing ordinary Americans.
What came across when talking to Trump supporters was section of them support Israel for religious reasons.
One ( and this seemed common with Trump voters) was saying that why were all these arms/ support going to Ukraine when Americans needed help. When asked what about all the US support for arms to Israel the answer was that is different.
So from this straw poll of Trump voters got impression if US has got to put Americans first ( something btw I think is reasonable. ) then Israel comes before Ukraine.
The other Trump voters thought Americans should come first instead of all this support for arms for wars outside US. That in their view Trump didn't start wars. That in short America should concentrate on blue collar Americans. Not foreign wars and cost entailed.
Which tbh I think if I was American Id agree with.
How this Trump victory ( which I didn't expect) pans out for Palestinians I don't know.
A more isolationist America might be better. Democrats 110 percent support for Israel has been a disaster for Palestinians in Gaza
Got impression from Trump supporters a main issue was jobs with globalisation being outsourced to China. The cost of living .That kind of thing is more important than wars in middle east and Europe. Don't allow jobs to be outsourced and protect American industry. With protectionism.
Was listening to Owen Jones and Novara media. Who did good job interviewing ordinary Americans.
What came across when talking to Trump supporters was section of them support Israel for religious reasons.
One ( and this seemed common with Trump voters) was saying that why were all these arms/ support going to Ukraine when Americans needed help. When asked what about all the US support for arms to Israel the answer was that is different.
So from this straw poll of Trump voters got impression if US has got to put Americans first ( something btw I think is reasonable. ) then Israel comes before Ukraine.
The other Trump voters thought Americans should come first instead of all this support for arms for wars outside US. That in their view Trump didn't start wars. That in short America should concentrate on blue collar Americans. Not foreign wars and cost entailed.
Which tbh I think if I was American Id agree with.
How this Trump victory ( which I didn't expect) pans out for Palestinians I don't know.
A more isolationist America might be better. Democrats 110 percent support for Israel has been a disaster for Palestinians in Gaza
Got impression from Trump supporters a main issue was jobs with globalisation being outsourced to China. The cost of living .That kind of thing is more important than wars in middle east and Europe. Don't allow jobs to be outsourced and protect American industry. With protectionism.
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ska invita
back on the other side
Palestine is getting blasted/starved off the map, as it has been under Biden and Harris....Trump is all for the West Bank getting "cleansed" and occupied too. So that will all continue apace. No cause for any optimism.
Ukraine, have to wait and see but he's been unambiguous: the weapons tap will be turned off, which will presumably force negotiations. I expect Russia to limit themselves to their officially annexed territories rather than moving on Kyiv or advancing beyond those borders, but we will see soon enough.
"Donald Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner is facing criticism over comments he made at a February talk at Harvard University, where he said Gaza’s waterfront property could be “very valuable” and Israel could “move the people out, and then clean it up,”"Here’s What Jared Kushner Said About Gaza’s Waterfront Property—And Where It’s Been Said Before
Kushner’s comments suggesting that Israel remove civilians from Gaza, which has “very valuable” waterfront property, sparked backlash.
Calls on the Israeli right to use Trump's election as an opportunity to annex and ethnically cleanse the West Bank, and pressure US to end US sanctions on illegal settlements.
ska invita
back on the other side
Yes seems inevitable....
ALSO
heard a clip from a debate of Trump bragging about attacking Iranian 'nuclear' sites....so there's also the possibility of a less subtle proxy war moving up a gear to the long-dreamed of US attack on Iran
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
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Gramsci
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However watching people who said they would vote Trump and also listening to undecided voters last week on World Service its cost of living that's a major issue.
One also said compensation to people who lost homes in recent hurricane has been pitiful compared to all the money going to Ukraine and Israel.
If Trump doesn't address this cost of living issue quickly but still shovels money at Israel I'm not sure its going to go down all that well with some who decided to vote Trump as Democrats presidency had ended with ordinary workers worse off and Ukraine / Israel perceived to get more support than actual blue collar Americans.
little_legs
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This crisis was never going to be solved at the US ballot box. It's all up to the axis of resistance and their allies to defeat Israel.
The decisions to arm Ukraine and Israel are not made by Trump, they are made by a conspiracy of all the people who profit from weapons manufacturing.
The decisions to arm Ukraine and Israel are not made by Trump, they are made by a conspiracy of all the people who profit from weapons manufacturing.
little_legs
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Meanwhile, the only democracy in the Middle East is passing the Nuremberg laws:
www.aljazeera.com
Israeli parliament passes law to deport relatives of ‘terrorists’
Family members could be deported for expressing support for or withholding information about a ‘terror’ incident.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
I really cannot agree with this.
A major reason the genocide has kept going is because , unlike some previous US presidents, Biden was a self confessed Zionist who was quite happy to arm Israel.
Democratic leadership are genocide enabler. Harris was no better.
Not because of any conspiracy.
This didn't have to happen.
Started reading Jeanne Pierre Filiu book Gaza a History.
During the Suez crisis Israel supported France and Britain. IDF took control of Gaza strip. Promptly started doing mass arrests of Palestinians and summarily executing those they thought had been involved in the fighting to get their land back the Zionists stole. Usual Zionist process of rounding up all adult males and picking out those who were considered troublemakers.
Same Zionist process used in Gaza now.
David Ben Gurion and Moshe Dayan thought this was all going very well and started to make noises about how they would like to stay. Gaza as Moshe saw on a visit had some nice farmland for settlers.
President Eisenhower in no uncertain terms said no. And Israel had to back off.
Point of this is past Presidents have used leverage to tell these Zionists when they have gone to far.
Biden no.
Its politics not conspiracy. Our political class in this country and the one in US have largely supported and enabled a racist government in Israel run by hardline Zionists to mass murder Palestinians and take their land.
That's a political choice they make not a conspiracy.
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little_legs
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To clarify: the US is not going to stop giving aid/weapons to Ukraine and Israel because it is incredibly profitable. A conspiracy of all the people in my post above means the collection of weapons manufacturers who are burning through their stores of equipment that will take years of contracts to replace.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
We’ve reached the “slap a couple of gendarmes around” phase of the conflict:
www.theguardian.com
French minister scraps holy site visit after Israeli police arrest gendarmes
France summons Israeli ambassador over incident at Eleona domain in Jerusalem which is under French control
teqniq
DisMembered
If you read to the end of the article, it's not the first time there have been similar incidents:We’ve reached the “slap a couple of gendarmes around” phase of the conflict:
French minister scraps holy site visit after Israeli police arrest gendarmes
France summons Israeli ambassador over incident at Eleona domain in Jerusalem which is under French control
I guess they don't like having another nation having a presence in a city that they consider to be theirs and occasionally they throw their weight around. Still pretty thugish and indicative of a mindset imo.
Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
Rescue plane to Holland because Israeli racists decided to remove a Palestinian flag in a city that wasn’t theirs ( average Israeli behavior). A rescue plane for some hooligans.
news.sky.com
Israel says it will deploy rescue mission after 'violent incident' targeting Israeli citizens in Amsterdam
The Israeli military has said it is preparing to deploy an immediate rescue mission with the coordination of the Dutch government.
mojo pixy
...שלא נמצא בשמאל
Just in the moment before our resident antisemites take total ownership of that story too, a second perspective on events...
forward.com
'Antisemitic hit-and-run squads': Amsterdam temporarily bans demonstrations after Israeli soccer fans attacked by street mobs
Jewish fans have been attacked in Amsterdam in a "pogrom" after a soccer match between Maccabi Tel Aviv and Ajax.
forward.com
Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
Being anti Israeli is not anti semetic.
“Two videos from Wednesday showed Israeli fans climbing walls to pull Palestinian flags down from second-story windows; in one clip, scores of Israelis gathered below cheer the act before the flag is burned on the street. Maccabi hooligans also sang an anti-Arab chantThursday as they entered the stadium.”
From your link.
They are hooligan scum though.
“Two videos from Wednesday showed Israeli fans climbing walls to pull Palestinian flags down from second-story windows; in one clip, scores of Israelis gathered below cheer the act before the flag is burned on the street. Maccabi hooligans also sang an anti-Arab chantThursday as they entered the stadium.”
From your link.
They are hooligan scum though.
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mojo pixy
...שלא נמצא בשמאל
That's correct. Being antisemitic is antisemitic. Being anti-israeli might not be, depending on how that's expressed and for what apparent purpose. You, for example, cross the line regularly.
Anyway as I said, a second perspective. That's OK isn't it?
Wow, never had PSG fans being on the correct side of anything politically. Marseille maybe but PSG, I'm happily shocked.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Just in the moment before our resident antisemites take total ownership of that story too, a second perspective on events...
'Antisemitic hit-and-run squads': Amsterdam temporarily bans demonstrations after Israeli soccer fans attacked by street mobs
Jewish fans have been attacked in Amsterdam in a "pogrom" after a soccer match between Maccabi Tel Aviv and Ajax.
See also:
Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
Maybe they wouldn’t have got their asses kicked if the hadn’t been singing Hebrew anti Arab songs.
Humility is a good thing to practice at sporting events if you are coming from a country engaging in genocide.
Or do you not think football hooligans are scum if they are Israeli?
Humility is a good thing to practice at sporting events if you are coming from a country engaging in genocide.
Or do you not think football hooligans are scum if they are Israeli?
Many including our newly returned 'anti-semite witchfinder general' will not but I fully agree, this can only be resolved by the complete and total defeat of what has effectively become a racially supremacist neo fascist boil on the face of the planet. Some times repeated treatment with medication does not work and surgery remains is the only solution.
HeAthen
Nadgers.
What repulsive scum they are.
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