Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Looks like the start of something turning out nice
Gramsci
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He didn't answer her question on UNRWA I notice.
Gramsci
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Forensic Architecture has published in depth study of Gaza
Called
A Cartography of Genocide.
forensic-architecture.org
I've looked at a bit of it. Done to a high standard with a lot of visuals of how Gaza has been changed and remodelled by IDF
I've posted up about the head of Forensic Architecture before.
Eyal Weizmann. An Israeli architect. I highly recommend his book on Architecture and Occupation of the West Bank
www.versobooks.com
A fascinating look at how using the skills and practise of an Architect to shine new light on how occupation works. Even in mundane architectural details and planning rules.
In this new work on Gaza they make clear using visuals how the IDF have reconstructed Gaza for occupation. And how the destruction is not haphazard.
Using visuals - cartography- is good way to make clear how the IDF / Israeli government are setting about in systematic way to change Gaza.
Called
A Cartography of Genocide.
Forensic Architecture
forensic-architecture.org
I've looked at a bit of it. Done to a high standard with a lot of visuals of how Gaza has been changed and remodelled by IDF
I've posted up about the head of Forensic Architecture before.
Eyal Weizmann. An Israeli architect. I highly recommend his book on Architecture and Occupation of the West Bank
Hollow Land
Verso Books is the largest independent, radical publishing house in the English-speaking world, publishing one hundred books a year.
www.versobooks.com
A fascinating look at how using the skills and practise of an Architect to shine new light on how occupation works. Even in mundane architectural details and planning rules.
In this new work on Gaza they make clear using visuals how the IDF have reconstructed Gaza for occupation. And how the destruction is not haphazard.
Using visuals - cartography- is good way to make clear how the IDF / Israeli government are setting about in systematic way to change Gaza.
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PTK
Paul Kegan
Thanks. That looks interesting.Forensic Architecture has published in depth study of Gaza
Called
A Cartography of Genocide.
Forensic Architecture
I've looked at a bit of it. Done to a high standard with a lot of visuals of how Gaza has been changed and remodelled by IDF
I've posted up about the head of Forensic Architecture before.
Eyal Weizmann. An Israeli architect. I highly recommend his book on Architecture and Occupation of the West Bank
Hollow Land
Verso Books is the largest independent, radical publishing house in the English-speaking world, publishing one hundred books a year.
A fascinating look at how using the skills and practise of an Architect to shine new light on how occupation works. Even in mundane architectural details and planning rules.
In this new work on Gaza they make clear using visuals how the IDF have reconstructed Gaza for occupation. And how the destruction is not haphazard.
Using visuals - cartography- is good way to make clear how the IDF / Israeli government are setting about in systematic way to change Gaza.
In Belfast during "The Troubles" new housing estates were designed with a view to countering insurgency, for example, crescents with no back exits.
Gramsci
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The UN rapporteur on Palestine Francesca Albanese has made new report called Colonial Erasure
The short interview she goes into her report.
She argues that genocide can be inferred from the actions of the state. This is legitimate to do
That in this case this is a democratic state doing this. One with elections , the rule of law and separation of powers. None of this stopped this from happening.Other recent genocides as in Ex Yugoslavia are different in that sense. Israel is an established democracy. I thought this was interesting point. Why does this level of genocidal violence happen in what is a democracy?
She also argues that ideology has a place. She mentions Ilan Pappe on this. She says Israel is a settler colonial state. Not the first one by any means. But one doing this now in situation of the post WW2 building of international human rights law.
So shes not saying its just Netanyahu or a few rotten apples in the barrel.
But the genocide is systemic.
Not had a chance to look at her full report. Which I managed to find with difficulty. As some UN webpages do not appear to be working right. Its the pdf linked to this post.
She is a tough cookie. She has and is still getting a lot of stick. The usual ones alleging anti semitism.
With US wading in saying she should get the sack and she is an anti Semite.
Predictable accusation of anti semitism directed at someone sticking up for Palestinians. That is her job. And she is doing it properly
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
That's the problem with the UN. It keeps doing its job and sticking up for the rights of Palestinians.
UNWRA , UN special rapporteurs.
All there to attack/ undermine poor old Israel.
For all its flaws UN is an organisation that somehow produces good reports and gives people like Palestinians some support.
Support lacking from individual states like mine the UK
UNWRA , UN special rapporteurs.
All there to attack/ undermine poor old Israel.
For all its flaws UN is an organisation that somehow produces good reports and gives people like Palestinians some support.
Support lacking from individual states like mine the UK
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Her summary to the report Colonial Erasure:
In the present report, the Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in
the Palestinian territories occupied since 1967, Francesca Albanese, examines the
unfolding horrors in the occupied Palestinian territory. While the wholesale
destruction of Gaza continues unabated, other parts of the land have not been spared.
The violence that Israel has unleashed against the Palestinians post-7 October is not
happening in a vacuum, but is part of a long-term intentional, systematic, State-
organized forced displacement and replacement of the Palestinians. This trajectory
risks causing irreparable prejudice to the very existence of the Palestinian people in
Palestine. Member States must intervene now to prevent new atrocities that will
further scar human history
In the present report, the Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in
the Palestinian territories occupied since 1967, Francesca Albanese, examines the
unfolding horrors in the occupied Palestinian territory. While the wholesale
destruction of Gaza continues unabated, other parts of the land have not been spared.
The violence that Israel has unleashed against the Palestinians post-7 October is not
happening in a vacuum, but is part of a long-term intentional, systematic, State-
organized forced displacement and replacement of the Palestinians. This trajectory
risks causing irreparable prejudice to the very existence of the Palestinian people in
Palestine. Member States must intervene now to prevent new atrocities that will
further scar human history
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
The member states that are intervening aren't the ones with any actual power over things. That shit starmer isn't going to do a bloody thing bar witter about both sides and international law while he ignores the uk's own responsibilities
HeAthen
Nadgers.
I think the organisation of the UN is pretty useless, especially with the way the Security Council works, but it has some really good people working away in its agencies who aren't afraid to tell it as it is. People like Albanese are the people with true leadership qualities and unlike Starmer, Biden etc possess integrity and decency.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
As a side note , very sad to hear about the death of John Rose. The first thing I ever read on Israel that began to challenge my support for it , as a late teen , was his pamphlet Israel the Hijack Sate that the IS ( forerunners of the SWP) brought out.
He was the author of a very good book The Myths of Zionism and also enabled the publishing in English of The Ghetto Fight by Marek Edelman. Edelman was a Bundist and member of the Warsaw Ghetto command team who later dedicated the memory of the ghetto to the Palestinian cause.
He was the author of a very good book The Myths of Zionism and also enabled the publishing in English of The Ghetto Fight by Marek Edelman. Edelman was a Bundist and member of the Warsaw Ghetto command team who later dedicated the memory of the ghetto to the Palestinian cause.
Problem for Israel is that for a settler state to succeed long term it must to the best of its abilities exterminate the indigenous population to the greatest degree possible to achieve stability. The USA, Australia, Canada, Uruguay and Argentina spring to mind. Where however the indigenous population manage to survive in number it's all over for the settlers as in South Africa, Algeria, Indonesia and so on.
Israel to survive and succeed needs to kill and displace and kill as many as possible. Is that feasible and acceptable in the 21st century as it was a century or two earlier in Australia, USA and Argentina? Of course not.
Israel has no long term future, it will be killed by its own addiction to killing.
Israel to survive and succeed needs to kill and displace and kill as many as possible. Is that feasible and acceptable in the 21st century as it was a century or two earlier in Australia, USA and Argentina? Of course not.
Israel has no long term future, it will be killed by its own addiction to killing.
Daniella Weiss and her ilk would not agree with you
Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
Ilan Pape does.
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Please don't mention that fascist's name. Seldom have I seen a person that exudes such evil.Daniella Weiss and her ilk would not agree with you
okay.I cant even begin to imagine who she thinks she is.
Gramsci
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Oxfam GB | Stop arming Israel: sign our petition now
Tell the UK government to use its power to end all arms sales to Israel now, and do everything they can to push for an immediate and permanent ceasefire in Gaza. Sign our Stop arming Israel petition now.
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Oxfam petition to end all arms sales to Israel.
Our government must immediately stop all arms sales to Israel
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Gramsci
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And Amnesty International have one set up to email ones MP
www.amnesty.org.uk
Email your MP now and demand they stop the UK from transferring arms to Israel
The human rights violations taking place in Gaza are at catastrophic levels. Despite this, the UK still hasn’t suspended all transfers of arms to Israel - there should be no loopholes and no workarounds. It's time to remind our MPs to champion human rights. Email your MP today...
HeAthen
Nadgers.
SignedOxfam GB | Stop arming Israel: sign our petition now
Tell the UK government to use its power to end all arms sales to Israel now, and do everything they can to push for an immediate and permanent ceasefire in Gaza. Sign our Stop arming Israel petition now.
Oxfam petition to end all arms sales to Israel.
Our government must immediately stop all arms sales to Israel
The UK is helping to fuel the horrific attacks in Gaza and Lebanon by allowing arms sales to Israel, despite the clear risk that they are being used to commit war crimes. Suspending just 30 out of 350 licenses is not enough. The UK is still selling parts for F-35 fighter jets that have been dropping bombs on Gaza for months.
HeAthen
Nadgers.
Done, although my MP is Rachel fucking Reeves so I don't hold out any hope of her doing the decent thing.And Amnesty International have one set up to email ones MP
Email your MP now and demand they stop the UK from transferring arms to Israel
The human rights violations taking place in Gaza are at catastrophic levels. Despite this, the UK still hasn’t suspended all transfers of arms to Israel - there should be no loopholes and no workarounds. It's time to remind our MPs to champion human rights. Email your MP today...
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Get them to stand up then give them a shove
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Done. But my mp is the unspeakable meg hillierAnd Amnesty International have one set up to email ones MP
Email your MP now and demand they stop the UK from transferring arms to Israel
The human rights violations taking place in Gaza are at catastrophic levels. Despite this, the UK still hasn’t suspended all transfers of arms to Israel - there should be no loopholes and no workarounds. It's time to remind our MPs to champion human rights. Email your MP today...
oryx
Sitting on the bok of the day
Signed.Oxfam GB | Stop arming Israel: sign our petition now
Tell the UK government to use its power to end all arms sales to Israel now, and do everything they can to push for an immediate and permanent ceasefire in Gaza. Sign our Stop arming Israel petition now.
Oxfam petition to end all arms sales to Israel.
Our government must immediately stop all arms sales to Israel
The UK is helping to fuel the horrific attacks in Gaza and Lebanon by allowing arms sales to Israel, despite the clear risk that they are being used to commit war crimes. Suspending just 30 out of 350 licenses is not enough. The UK is still selling parts for F-35 fighter jets that have been dropping bombs on Gaza for months.
Gramsci
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Thanks for this. I didn't know about either of them.
At end of the march yesterday I was looking at the Bookmarks stall and found a copy of the Ghetto Fight. So got it. Its still being published.
This is useful biography I found which puts his life in context of the times
Marek Edelman and the Struggle for Democracy in Poland
Marek Edelman was a leader of the heroic Warsaw Ghetto uprising against Nazi genocide. After 1945, Edelman stayed on in Poland as a champion of democratic socialism who played a courageous role in the country’s dissident movement.
jacobin.com
Later in life he did write to the Palestinians. Urging talks and not hurting civilians. But he got flack for it.
At event to commemorate the Ghetto fight 50th anniversary the Israeli prime minister Rabin attended but refused to share a platform with Marek Edelman.
He was a Bundist to the end of his days.
The Bund I don't now much about. It was the major socialist organisation for Jews. Opposed Zionism and also fell out with the Bolsheviks.
He would not leave Poland but many surviving Jews did. They weren't welcomed back and over years many did go. On that I can understand why some Zionists felt Europe was no longer for them.
Always a dissident he criticised both Zionism and Stalinism.
John Rose book is online
John Rose: Israel - The Hijack State (Zionism or Socialism?)
John Rose: Israel - The Hijack State (Zionism or Socialism?)
www.marxists.org
Not had a chance to look at it properly. Some of it a bit dated now.
teqniq
DisMembered
@ytirawi
First Publication: Israeli military is employing private civilian companies & non-military personnel in flattening homes in Rafah.
Meshek Afar Ltd, has been in the city for 3 days. An employee now in Rafah uploaded this blw & said that its CEO will flatten a mosque tomorrow
View attachment ssstwitter.com_1730633616028.mp4
There can really be only one reason why they have subcontracted out to a private company. They have no intention of leaving.
source
There is more info in the replies if you have a twitter account
First Publication: Israeli military is employing private civilian companies & non-military personnel in flattening homes in Rafah.
Meshek Afar Ltd, has been in the city for 3 days. An employee now in Rafah uploaded this blw & said that its CEO will flatten a mosque tomorrow
View attachment ssstwitter.com_1730633616028.mp4
There can really be only one reason why they have subcontracted out to a private company. They have no intention of leaving.
source
There is more info in the replies if you have a twitter account
Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
Well it worked for Halliburton.
_Russ_
Never not Knowingly Misunderstood
Signed, its over 100,000 signatures now does that mean it has to be debated in parliament?Oxfam GB | Stop arming Israel: sign our petition now
Tell the UK government to use its power to end all arms sales to Israel now, and do everything they can to push for an immediate and permanent ceasefire in Gaza. Sign our Stop arming Israel petition now.
Oxfam petition to end all arms sales to Israel.
Our government must immediately stop all arms sales to Israel
The UK is helping to fuel the horrific attacks in Gaza and Lebanon by allowing arms sales to Israel, despite the clear risk that they are being used to commit war crimes. Suspending just 30 out of 350 licenses is not enough. The UK is still selling parts for F-35 fighter jets that have been dropping bombs on Gaza for months.
HeAthen
Nadgers.
No, it's not a parliamentary one.
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