_Russ_
Never not Knowingly Misunderstood
Thanks, so more unlikely even than a parliamentary .gov poll to make any difference ...sigh I guess all I can do on a personal level is keep checking where the shit I buy comes from
Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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teqniq
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Explanation of the possible arrests:
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@bentreyf: Here’s the state of play: Several people close to Netanyahu have been arrested, or are preparing to be, for sharing embellished or fabricated intel to @JewishChron & @BILD designed to scupper a hostage de...…
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Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
Tbf the US army went ahead and wiped out 600,000 Iraqis, between 1-3 million in Vietnam etc, while Britain oversaw both the Irish and Bengal famines. Democracy has no particular historic restraint re: the deliberate causing of mass death.
Gramsci
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I haven't read all of her report yet. Working my way through it.
She's assembling an argument to say that what Israel state is doing can be classified as genocide. Under the modern international legal definition. Plus the case law developed over ex Yugoslavia wars for example. And Rwanda.
So its the intent that is the main issue here. She also says its not about only about numbers of deaths. Its doing things like destroying educational institutions for example.
Not that this is new either.
Its that its happening now in 2024 in Israel / Palestine.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
How democratic was the uk in the 1840s?
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Explanation of the possible arrests:
Thread by @bentreyf on Thread Reader App
@bentreyf: Here’s the state of play: Several people close to Netanyahu have been arrested, or are preparing to be, for sharing embellished or fabricated intel to @JewishChron & @BILD designed to scupper a hostage de...…
I know its a sadly oft-used trope in these times, but the lack of interest in this story from the British press really is something else.
teqniq
DisMembered
As if by magic:
Netanyahu in fresh storm over Gaza hostages after arrests linked to alleged leak
Court says arrests followed investigation into suspected breach of national security that had ‘harmed Israeli war aims’
Gramsci
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'We're fashioning post-war Gaza': The contractor set to facilitate aid distribution in Gaza
Israeli businessman Moti Kahana, head of US-based logistics company GDC chosen to deliver aid to Palestinian enclave, says Hamas' days of looting aid and selling it are almost over
Interview in Ynet with the CEO of contractor that might be taking over distribution of aid.
The article says this contractor has been now chosen.
The article says the contractor CDC has been in talks with Israel and US for seven months.
Sounds charming company. All about winning hearts and minds.
From interview sounds more than just acting like a NGO.
It also sounds like first part in replacing UNWRA.
I've posted about this before. Now CEO is saying to Israeli press he's in serious talks with US as well.
Idea is his company moves in to stabilise post war Gaza.
What he calls secured neighbourhoods will be set up for Palestinians. These will be supplied with food etc. He says people will be able to come and go.
It sounds more like an open prison to me.
With this company as security guards.
Seems to me this is the kind of post war plan that could be pushed as temporary stabilization. But will end up as defacto permanent.
It will enable Israel to say it's removing most of IDF. So it's not a military occupation.
And also will enable Israel to say it's got a replacement for UNWRA to ensure aid is delivered.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
'We're fashioning post-war Gaza': The contractor set to facilitate aid distribution in Gaza
Israeli businessman Moti Kahana, head of US-based logistics company GDC chosen to deliver aid to Palestinian enclave, says Hamas' days of looting aid and selling it are almost overwww.ynetnews.com
Interview in Ynet with the CEO of contractor that might be taking over distribution of aid.
The article says this contractor has been now chosen.
The article says the contractor CDC has been in talks with Israel and US for seven months.
Sounds charming company. All about winning hearts and minds.
From interview sounds more than just acting like a NGO.
It also sounds like first part in replacing UNWRA.
I've posted about this before. Now CEO is saying to Israeli press he's in serious talks with US as well.
Idea is his company moves in to stabilise post war Gaza.
What he calls secured neighbourhoods will be set up for Palestinians. These will be supplied with food etc. He says people will be able to come and go.
It sounds more like an open prison to me.
With this company as security guards.
Seems to me this is the kind of post war plan that could be pushed as temporary stabilization. But will end up as defacto permanent.
It will enable Israel to say it's removing most of IDF. So it's not a military occupation.
And also will enable Israel to say it's got a replacement for UNWRA to ensure aid is delivered.
That article may be the worst-written piece of fiction I have read this year.
teqniq
DisMembered
Just in case people were not getting the message:
www.972mag.com
Exterminate, expel, resettle: Israel's endgame in northern Gaza
Debates over the details of the ‘Generals’ Plan’ distract from the true brutality of Israel’s latest operation — one that drops the veneer of humanitarian considerations and lays the groundwork for settlements.
www.972mag.com
Gramsci
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Well it's cropped up several times now on Israeli media. Either there's nothing in it or it's something Israel is suggesting as post war way forward
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Without wishing to be flippant, I see no reason why it couldnt be both.
Gramsci
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Fair enough.
As the CEO has had plenty of airtime on Israeli media without the Government saying its baseless my view is that this is something the Israeli leadership are floating as an option and seeing what US think of it.
I notice in article he's claiming he told Americans their pier to bring in aid was a failure and what he's offering is cost effective.
Given the lies and obfuscation of Israel ( normally Zionist practise) Id say this is what there preferred option is. Not direct IDF military rule or direct Israel control but use a third party to give veneer this isn't about Greater Israel annexation.
And then let the hard line settlers go in with their trailers as though that's nothing to do with the state.
Gramsci
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Finished reading Francesca Albanese report.
Trying to look up more when she talked about it and here is ten minutes of her in full flow.
She gives full frontal attack on Israel. No wonder she got stick.
Her arguments are sound.
She starts by saying she is speaking on ground taken from American Indians
Her report avoids mentioning the word Zionism. But it does say Israel is settler colonial.
That from its early days it was about the colonial erasure of Palestinians.
That the Hamas attack was used to further this. Now following the international law built up post WW2 this counts under international law as danger of being genocidal.
That the international agreements on prevention of genocide are that. Each state should be looking and saying what it will do to prevent genocide in Palestine/ Israel. As genocide law is not just about investigating it. Its also about preventing it if there is plausible case its happening,
Trying to look up more when she talked about it and here is ten minutes of her in full flow.
She gives full frontal attack on Israel. No wonder she got stick.
Her arguments are sound.
She starts by saying she is speaking on ground taken from American Indians
Her report avoids mentioning the word Zionism. But it does say Israel is settler colonial.
That from its early days it was about the colonial erasure of Palestinians.
That the Hamas attack was used to further this. Now following the international law built up post WW2 this counts under international law as danger of being genocidal.
That the international agreements on prevention of genocide are that. Each state should be looking and saying what it will do to prevent genocide in Palestine/ Israel. As genocide law is not just about investigating it. Its also about preventing it if there is plausible case its happening,
Gramsci
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If I read her right she is saying Israel is a democracy with the rule of law.. That's how it presents itself.
In that case the judiciary should be holding the executive to account and also individuals.
The ICJ has given ruling that there are concerns which should be addressed.
Israel as a state should be addressing this and it hasn't.
Individuals and state actors are acting with impunity. Despite genocidal statements being made. And plausible case that genocidal actions are being done by other parts of Israel state. So the arm of the state the judiciary haven't been doing their job.
This can be used as evidence of intent.
Therefore the Israel state can be accused as a whole of being genocidal. Not just a few far right individuals.
In that case the judiciary should be holding the executive to account and also individuals.
The ICJ has given ruling that there are concerns which should be addressed.
Israel as a state should be addressing this and it hasn't.
Individuals and state actors are acting with impunity. Despite genocidal statements being made. And plausible case that genocidal actions are being done by other parts of Israel state. So the arm of the state the judiciary haven't been doing their job.
This can be used as evidence of intent.
Therefore the Israel state can be accused as a whole of being genocidal. Not just a few far right individuals.
Gramsci
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On the Francesca Albanese report and address to UN
Genocide is to destroy in whole or in part. Later case law is not just about numbers of deaths ( Eichmann trial, Yugoslavia and Rwanda) but also a about the the destruction of spirit and slow death. Genocide is process not a single act. The key is the intent.
Intent is to destroy Palestinians as a people
Palestinians are marked as in her words an unwanted encumbrance in eyes of Israel
Genocide is to destroy in whole or in part. Later case law is not just about numbers of deaths ( Eichmann trial, Yugoslavia and Rwanda) but also a about the the destruction of spirit and slow death. Genocide is process not a single act. The key is the intent.
Intent is to destroy Palestinians as a people
Palestinians are marked as in her words an unwanted encumbrance in eyes of Israel
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
It’s this failure to convict the vast majority of offenders, even when their guilt is so obvious that even their own colleagues appear as witnesses against them (of which there is no worse example than the scumbag who executed Imam Al-Hams in 2004) that will further doom their case at the ICJ.
As Albanese says it is a function of a state’s courts to enforce the law as it exists, and if they aren’t doing even that then it’s incumbent on international courts / the international system to do it in order to prevent such crimes being carried out.
Yes, the usual suspects will inevitably point to the case against Netanyahu for corruption, or the previous PMs getting their collars felt but the reality is that virtually no one gets in serious trouble for the task in hand (the occupation) and even when they do they are not treated in such a way that inspires any confidence in the process (the defence lawyer for the settler who firebombed a home in Duma in 2015 that burnt a family alive is now the justice minister).
The parallels with accepted genocidal regimes are incredibly clear.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Sorry, was using my phone and I think it must have autocorrected.
No worries, no problem.
_Russ_
Never not Knowingly Misunderstood
Have you got a source link for this?, I need to post it somewhere together with some verification of origin..thanks
OK never mind found it
teqniq
DisMembered
_Russ_
Never not Knowingly Misunderstood
Thanks, found it on Instagram
teqniq
DisMembered
Also there's this:
apnews.com
Still wrecked from past Israeli raids, hospitals in northern Gaza come under attack again
They were built to be places of healing. But once again, three hospitals in northern Gaza are encircled by Israeli troops and under fire.
apnews.com
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Process over principles
Gramsci
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Notice he didn't answer the question.
It's not about changing the agreement. It's about following it.
teqniq
DisMembered
FFS: 
www.irishtimes.com
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