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We’ll never know but it’s a nasty little niggle.
Marcus Fakana - Dubai and why not to go there
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We’ll never know but it’s a nasty little niggle.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
Not for sure, but social media claim that she and her family are British Asian.
pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
Some parents can be like this.
Back when I worked in schools, I had eyes on a case where a teenage girl's parents went to very great lengths to ensure her co-aged boyfriend had the book thrown at him, hard. Despite there being no evidence of force, coercion/manipulation or any other form of misconduct that might justify/require action and the Police, social services, school etc all were more than satisfied that a course of education/resolution that didn't involve criminal charges was absolutely in the best interests of all parties.
It was commented-on at several points that the girl's parents seemed to be trying to make-up for/deflect from their long term neglect/lack of interest in their daughter and her emotional wellbeing. Physically, she had everything but beyond that, they were not there for her, only themselves.
GarveyLives
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Notwithstanding the illegality in Dubai, what would be the implications for the girl concerned amongst both her own family, and the wider Sikh community, if her mother had not chosen to report her daughter's consensual sexual encounter with young Marcus Fakana to the authorities in Dubai (after they had left the country themselves)?
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
It almost sounds like they resented the idea that someone else might be giving their daughter more attention and affection than they were.Some parents can be like this.
Back when I worked in schools, I had eyes on a case where a teenage girl's parents went to very great lengths to ensure her co-aged boyfriend had the book thrown at him, hard. Despite there being no evidence of force, coercion/manipulation or any other form of misconduct that might justify/require action and the Police, social services, school etc all were more than satisfied that a course of education/resolution that didn't involve criminal charges was absolutely in the best interests of all parties.
It was commented-on at several points that the girl's parents seemed to be trying to make-up for/deflect from their long term neglect/lack of interest in their daughter and her emotional wellbeing. Physically, she had everything but beyond that, they were not there for her, only themselves.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
?
Exactly the same as they are for me for not reporting the owner of a dog I saw shitting in the park.
I've known quite a few British Asians who've gone there to buy gold for weddings. (I guess for those with relations in E Africa, it's kind of in the middle.) I imagine if you're spending loads of money, you'll be treated well whatever (despite of
) your skin colour.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I've known quite a few British Asians who've gone there to buy gold for weddings. (I guess for those with relations in E Africa, it's kind of in the middle.) I imagine if you're spending loads of money, you'll be treated well whatever (despite of
Indians are one of the biggest consumers of gold in the world and Dubai gold has a reputation there for being good value, high quality, and better regulated than the Indian market which is run by cowboys and gangsters. It's only about 3 hours from Mumbai, so quite convenient for them, and the wealthy do gold buying day trips. The reputation has stuck with British Asians, so going to Dubai to buy wedding jewellery is a thing. Tax free there too, so it's also a bit cheaper if you don't declare it when you bring it back.
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pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
Without going into too much detail - yes that might be very close to it.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Dubai has long marketed itself as a place for conspicuous consumption, and it is instructive (if you get the chance) to see how disparate that consumption is. I worked for a while out there, and I recall being quite surprised to watch the (Indian) guy who cleaned the offices, and would go through the bins extracting paper, which got smoothed out and stacked. When I asked, it turned out that he would collect used paper, package it up, and send it home, where it fetched enough of a decent price to make it worthwhile doing. Meanwhile, people would be drinking $35 cocktails in five star hotels, driving around in late-model Mercedes(es), etc. And that was in 2001 - today's Dubai is even more brash and gaudy.
He (the cleaner) was very proud of the fact that, even on the meagre earnings he was making, he could send enough home to mean that his family's home was the only one in the village that had a generator and a television. By local standards, he was relatively wealthy.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
Internet 'sleuths' have tracked down and have posted photos of the girl, her name and that of her mother and they're Sikhs. Anything posted by Internet 'sleuths' (note the use of quotes) is automatically suspect of course and should be taken with a pinch of salt.
This gets me thinking though, we haven't heard anything from her or them and given the vitriol that has been aimed at them probably won't in future. This means that the only narrative is that of Marcus Fakana and his family and they're claiming the relationship was consensual and that may be true I certainly have no idea. However maybe it wasn't or not fully consensual at least. Would certainly explain why the girl's Mum didn't report it until they got back home. The UAE is not exactly known for it's sympathetic treatment of women making claims of sexual assault or being coerced.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Well I looked up these 'internationally recognized procedures' via the suggested google of kebabking and it turns out it means 'ring your local bobby'.
But of course there's more to it than that. There's far more to the process that the mum would have had to put herself through (and therefore her daughter too). She would have been advised that victims who leave the UAE rarely get their cases properly looked into and the accused will often just get bail (and no follow up). So in that sense, going back home makes no sense at all. It also means she would have had to be very persuasive in making the UK authorities pursue the case. A bit more than bish, bash, bosh.
None of the news reporting is giving the sense of the daughter being a victim. Except, of course, a victim of her own vindictive meddling mother who is now putting her daughter through seemingly unwanted trauma.
And for that, the mother is a cunt.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
Perhaps she was very persuasive, perhaps the photos/videos on her daughter's phone were enought to convince the Plod that it was worth passing the case along. Perhaps she's a dreadful mother, perhaps she's a concerned one horrified to discover what has happened. YOU DON'T KNOW any more than I do. The news reporting on the case isn't relevant, whether it's Romeo or Juliet tragically separated by an overbearing mother and the long and tyrannical arm of Dubai Law enforcement or an unpleasant young man who might have got his just deserts are secondary to the true outrage generated by the fact that the forrins have dared to lock up a Brit for something we wouldn't consider a crime.
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andysays
Love and solidarity
I thought that had been specifically mentioned in on of the reports into this story, can't remember where.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Did you accidentally lean on your capslock?
Of course we don't fucking KNOW. We rarely do here on Urban. But we speculate, it's what we do. And it doesn't take much use of Occam's Razor to suggest the best fit is this woman went through her daughter's phone once home, pics and chats according to news sources, then went to a lot of trouble to proceed with the case. At no point has non-consensual sex been suggested. Seemingly at no point has the daughter been allowed her say.
As for the 'true outrage'...that's not my outrage. My outrage is trauma being unnecessarily created to a young woman who is going to have trouble dealing with this attention and all it's brought upon her for the rest of her life.
Now get your fucking capslock fixed you shouty twat.
skyscraper101
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I've never forgiven Dubai for locking up Grooverider for months over what was basically weed dust in the lining of his pocket. Terrible place.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
But only allowed to speculate in ways you approve of eh?
andysays
Love and solidarity
I agree with the rest of your post, but as far as the bit in bold goes
The age of consent in Dubai is 18. If this young women was only 17 year old at the time, she was legally unable to consent to sex in Dubai, therefore the sex was legally non-consensual, in the same way that sex with a 15 year old woman would be in Britain.
seeformiles
Lost in the wood
A mate of mine had sex with a lass at a party when he was 15 and she 14. Her dad read her diary and, despite his daughter's insistence that everything was fully consensual (& that they were both underage), wanted to have my mate charged with statutory rape. Luckily cooler heads prevailed and charges were dropped but it was a case of "my daughter is a god fearing girl and must have been coerced into this". I imagine there's a similar thing going on here.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
That's not true.
Under 13s can't consent in the UK, that is statutory rape. A15 year old can, just the term is called age of consent to confuse people.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Just wouldn't happen anyway, not in the UK at any rate.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
When I used to have to go there, it was way back in the olden days when I (well, everyone really) used to indulge in a bit of coke.
I was totally paranoid that a tiny speck of Chas dust would be found in my wallet and I'd end up as a sex slave in some shit hole nick, so I bought a brand new, sterile wallet which I only used for trips to Dubai.
seeformiles
Lost in the wood
This was puritanical N.Ireland in the early 80s. We even had a different age of consent to the UK - 17 - not that it stopped us.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
I lived in Qatar, which is a bit similar, and the dress codes are a lot more lax than most British people might expect, tbh. You could probably just about get away with wearing a spaghetti strap vest top, in the office or a shopping mall, although you wouldn't want to, because the air-conditioning is so fierce, so people tend to cover up, t-shirts at least. (My first two weeks there, I went shopping for several cardigans, because I'd mostly taken blouses and t-shirts as I was expecting it to be hot, but it was f'ing freezing indoors with the aircon blasting away.) After I'd been there a while, I vaguely recall raising my eyebrows at a woman in a shopping mall wearing a strapless boob tube type top, because it was so unusual to see someone dressed like that in public, I was thinking she must be a tourist and was a bit tone deaf/ignorant about cultural differences.Yes, I've seen The Real Housewives of Dubai. Every one of them are loaded, and vile. What surprised me is that they are all quaffing alcohol, and wearing outfits I didn't think they were allowed to wear. When picked up on why the series was made with the human rights issues, like being anti gay, they claim everything is fine, as long as it's not done in public. I'm not so sure about that, but they certainly get more than their share of alcohol.
In hotels/hotel grounds/beach clubs/hotel bars (bars/restaurants only in the 5* hotels), then you can get away with skimpier outfits, bikinis by the pool/on the beach.
The other thing about drinking alcohol is that as well as it being mostly a dry country, except for 5* hotel bars/restaurants, was that foreigners who lived there could buy booze from a cash and carry type off-licence out in Doha's industrial zone. You had to get an alcohol permit from your employer, and your quota was based on your salary, so you could only spend, iirc, up to 10 per cent of your monthly salary on booze, so there were restrictions even for those who were allowed to buy alcohol. And if they knew you were Muslim, iirc, you weren't allowed. Qataris weren't allowed, iirc. And the shop was closed for the whole of Ramadan, so there were massive queues the week before. Oh, and you were supposed to drive straight home from the shop, and technically you weren't supposed to drive anywhere else with it. So eg buying booze, taking it back to yours, and then a week later taking some of the booze to a pool party at someone's villa was illegal, but loads of people did it.
I had gay colleagues who kept their activities on the dl, obvs, didn't flaunt their relationships.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
I don't get this. There are shops here in the UK. If you specifically want to benefit from tax-free shopping, there are shops selling designer gear in scores of other countries that are nicer places to visit.
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